asciilifeform: mod6: i started with this.

asciilifeform: mod6: and if you were thinking of vax, 1st one was sold in, iirc, '77

asciilifeform: mod6: l0l

asciilifeform: megatonnes of perfectly-good 1980s lsi lying around.

asciilifeform: mod6: until then - to excavate.

asciilifeform: nor perform 'esp'

asciilifeform: mod6: i am comfortable in the supposition that nsa cannot yet travel backwards in time.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: how long has it been ?

asciilifeform: mod6: debiasing dice is a bitch

asciilifeform: mod6: and i probably ought to point out that 'quality random' was baked long ago, ben_vulpes actually took a sample unit home after c3...

asciilifeform: mod6: what do you mean 'some otp'

asciilifeform: am i the only one here right now who isn't sitting in a dark room with a bottle of vodka and loaded nagant ?

asciilifeform: !s the man who was thursday

asciilifeform: folks still gotta take the time to wash.

asciilifeform: just as running water strongly enables, but does not guarantee, hygiene

asciilifeform: whole point of the instrument is to ~make it possible for there to be such a thing as a Who~

asciilifeform: 'subkeys' suck donkey ballz.

asciilifeform: i actually considered this, in the beginning.

asciilifeform: mod6: multitudes of keys are iffy

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437337 << the way i see it, the 'punishment' aspect of vtronics is secondary. the main thing is that ACTUAL PEOPLE, i.e. folks willing to ~take responsibility for their actions~, could find and recognize each other. ☝︎

asciilifeform: now i could be wrong, entirely, and this-is-as-solved-as-it-gets

asciilifeform: in the same sense that, e.g., edison, half-solved electric grid distribution

asciilifeform: i keep getting the feeling that we only half-solved vtronics

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437334 << the distance from workable theory to cold iron here is quite short, and eminently bridgeable. if we had the usable theory. which is a problem i was taking a stab at. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437332 << troika will decide!111 ☝︎

asciilifeform: real-airplane is largely wasted on aborigines, aha

asciilifeform: mod6: which is why islands of sanity are ~everything~.

asciilifeform: (largely 74xxx logic, and buncha srams, eproms)

asciilifeform: mod6: that was support chipset, and a buncha z80

asciilifeform: mod6: it is a parachute, in case certain things happen.

asciilifeform: but you already have, chances are, a 6502 micro somewhere in the cellar.

asciilifeform: yes.

asciilifeform: promise.

asciilifeform: you will prolly not want one.

asciilifeform: it runs on a 6502 !

asciilifeform: mod6: last week i finally built... a computer.

asciilifeform: we are, however, overrun with vermin, and this opens up astonishing perspectives in pesticidal work

asciilifeform: no shit

asciilifeform: imho the concept of taking responsibility for ~the material you wrote~ is not a difficult one

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh i didn't wake you up, did i

asciilifeform: l0l!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since when do we 'most people'

asciilifeform: nonsense.

asciilifeform: 'why wash hands? patients will die anyway'

asciilifeform: ~this~ aspect is separable.

asciilifeform: ~this~ being specifically the this that you wrote.

asciilifeform: mod6: separate issue.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: because there is a very real problem.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: i invite you to comment on my post, possibly suggest a cleaner solution to the problem ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho single-bit scalar pgp is rather like car with sole control being a gas pedal.

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437279 << quaternionic. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: thoughts ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja read my modest proposal thing ?

asciilifeform: i signed it, but it had a distinct feel of falling on a necessary grenade

asciilifeform: see there we go

asciilifeform: no, there is more than one dimension.

asciilifeform: i rejected this idea immediately.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: scalar is mega-inadequate.

asciilifeform: so this makes 2 of us.

asciilifeform: see there we have it.

asciilifeform: in the sense that it leaves no serious perma-record.

asciilifeform: and a pretty big chunk of my efforts in reading ~questionable crud~, which i do a great deal of, is wasted

asciilifeform: well, the implicit 'i swear with my life to this' - leaves me reluctant to sign anything i did not write 100% of

asciilifeform: there was this notion that folks might read old stuff and sign a subset

asciilifeform: does anyone recall mircea_popescu's original push re: signing code ?

asciilifeform: i still don't see why we can't have machine-distinguishability of 'i swear this is as i found it 5 years ago' vs 'i read and understood this' vs 'i wrote this and swear with my life that it will not fail'

asciilifeform: i listed a big one for me.

asciilifeform: and i'm not trying to be an arse to folks re: signing, but would like to know some of the ~reasons~ things aren't getting signed

asciilifeform: mod6: definitely there are some i did not sign, i listed one earlier

asciilifeform: signing presently conveys ONE BIT of info, and it means... ?????

asciilifeform: nobody, i should add, really oughta be signing unless he is ~sure~. but sure OF WHAT???

asciilifeform: so what should i conclude, that no one bothered to read ? to sign ? or that folks had reservations? which is it.

asciilifeform: and this is a patch without which trb is ~dead in the water~

asciilifeform: not ben_vulpes, even ?

asciilifeform: NOBODY ELSE bothered ?!

asciilifeform: this patch has 'all signers: mircea_popescu trinque asciilifeform mod6'

asciilifeform: http://104.131.72.249/patches/asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected << see, for example.

asciilifeform: and this BLOWS.

asciilifeform: but there was no way to express this vtronically.

asciilifeform: because i DO NOT ENDORSE IT WHOLESALE

asciilifeform: nor do i have the stomach to sign v-genesis of ancient stuff, i struggled with the decision of whether to sign tinyscheme

asciilifeform: i, for instance, can't bring myself to sign anything from polarbeard.

asciilifeform: and the all-or-nothing factor, i think, is part of it.

asciilifeform: likewise it is possible to sign other folks' patches today. yet not so many of us are doing it.

asciilifeform: yet various clever folks had trouble, e.g., mircea_popescu, hanbot

asciilifeform: it was EMINENTLY possible to build trb pre-v.

asciilifeform: but imho i outlined a major reason.

asciilifeform: i can only speak for myself re: why

asciilifeform: but like it or not, we have right now a situation where folks are ~not signing patches.

asciilifeform: 'reactor rodz!1111'

asciilifeform: because 'fuck you, collect patches and check sigs and determine order YOURSELF!111'

asciilifeform: trinque: you are reminding me of the thread where i refused to solve the problem v solves initially

asciilifeform: and likewise to make 'collect the words of great dead sage into coherent whole' a more workable proposition.

asciilifeform: i.e. of a vtron being confused by an enemy digging up ancient signed material.

asciilifeform: but to make sure that certain situations are impossible

asciilifeform: and the point is not to excuse folks from the duty of writing comments

asciilifeform: and that they are divisible into equivalence classes.

asciilifeform: my argument is that there is a handful of EXTREMELY common situations re: signing that DON'T resolve to 'i approve of this'