log☇︎
154500+ entries in 0.199s
asciilifeform: (i could be wrong)
asciilifeform: but if any of them had seen it fit to return so much as one satoshi of the doublesend - i assume mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, or davout would have mentioned.
asciilifeform: the comments - could all be fictions, yes.
asciilifeform: the beneficiary addr and the bet amount are literally the ~only~ things we know for certain about them.
asciilifeform: they betted by transmitting a tx.
asciilifeform: the obligation was to the ADDRESSES.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you neither know, nor need to.
asciilifeform: e.g., tearing apart jungle temple, burying the remains - in shit, banana peels.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: monkeys accomplish plenty. just not anything you would want.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: why not ?
asciilifeform: i can't see how the scumbags who pocketed the doublespend and then whined about bet payout delay, are not accomplices in the murder of bbet.
asciilifeform: whether or not you credit the chinese miners, the sybil net, or the devil, whoever,
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see thread. bbet is already doing many 'other things', from which there is no escape.
asciilifeform: e.g., go broke an' into receivership.
asciilifeform: they were PAID. ☟︎
asciilifeform: by that amount.
asciilifeform: which it IS.
asciilifeform: but declare obligation settled.
asciilifeform: not 'claw back'
asciilifeform: so what then does ben_vulpes give as argument re why the double-send should not count against the obligations remaining ?
asciilifeform: and to try to infer or posit people or whatnot 'behind' the keys, is to introduce chess pieces to a card game
asciilifeform: the only moral entities for whatever purpose.
asciilifeform: ergo btc privkeys ARE the playing characters in the game
asciilifeform: aha!!
asciilifeform: i can't see any hole in this wall.
asciilifeform: and given that the only signatures establishing the obligation were btc tx-en, that is to whom it owed.
asciilifeform: privkeys == people, for any sane purpose.
asciilifeform: whatever repayment obligation bbet has to anyone at all, it was and remains to ADDRESSES, not to 'people', 'persons', or whatever other old world claptrap
asciilifeform: explain plox.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how do brokers enter into anything ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: folks who share privkeys create schizo synthetic monsters, a la gox, and are hostis humani generis.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: broker?
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: (can i eat while hanging off a chopper skid ??)
asciilifeform: first i might eat at the 'cafe saigon'
asciilifeform: one of these days!
asciilifeform: maybe there they do parallel universes!11
asciilifeform: in other lulz, i was looking at 'google map' near $rupturefarm, and found a 'metaphysical chapel.'
asciilifeform: but anyway if it were my job to describe parallel universes, i'd put up a shingle!111
asciilifeform: but not this.
asciilifeform: then reactor fire next week !111
asciilifeform: not hard numberz.
asciilifeform: what i meant was, whatever the bettors end up getting, will be an output of human caprice.
asciilifeform: like warm beer.
asciilifeform: and our 'equations' have already warmed over, in this case.
asciilifeform: but afaik we like cold equations because they are SOLID and PREDICTABLE, not because cold.
asciilifeform: briefly back to mega-thread, i ~very much see the appeal~ of mircea_popescu's 'cold equations, motherfuckers!' angle.
asciilifeform: l0l!
asciilifeform: hm?
asciilifeform: i also did not say 'obligation' now did i.
asciilifeform: solomon - agreed.
asciilifeform: i can see this.
asciilifeform: i recommend - the communists.
asciilifeform: my place was merely to suggest ~whom~. which is done.
asciilifeform: but the fella with the scalpel is stuck cutting somebody.
asciilifeform: well not to me obviously.
asciilifeform: i however see the notion of not fucking-with-a-hammer those malodorous thieving swine who silently kept the windfall and LEANED ON THE GROUP, as ultimately very expensive.
asciilifeform: fair!
asciilifeform: or what am i missing.
asciilifeform: so ditto bbet creditors ??
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: how much do i owe him on next tuesday ?
asciilifeform: tomorrow i trip over a cable, fall on a button, accidentally fire pistol, the bullet hits another button, sends him 90 btc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: to be delivered by next tuesday.
asciilifeform: (sold my organz!111)
asciilifeform: say i owe mircea_popescu 100 btc
asciilifeform: let's do a gedankenexperiment
asciilifeform: and i'm not even sure we have a cataclysm here
asciilifeform: but i digress.
asciilifeform: closing at the cost of tearing a new (qm / gr) gash
asciilifeform: which is to say, we find ways to live with the wound
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438750 << they are healed the way the demolition of newtonian mechanics was 'healed' ☝︎
asciilifeform: my terminal is bodged, 1sec
asciilifeform: the tragedy was precisely in the circumstances which produced the scalpel hand. not in who will be cut, that is secondary.
asciilifeform: but it will cut how it wants, and it not mathematically deterministic/predictable, and will answer to no one.
asciilifeform: that is why there is no happy ending to this tale.
asciilifeform: when there is a fella with a scalpel, you ~already~ made a small visa.
asciilifeform: when there is a colour - there is one.
asciilifeform: why should i live in a fictional universe of oughts.
asciilifeform: and if there is a colour, i point to it.
asciilifeform: i was not the one who printed the tx...
asciilifeform: at least after mircea_popescu made public the tx ids.
asciilifeform: is that the folks who kept the coin LEANED-on-the-group.
asciilifeform: the way i see it, and again i feel quite fortunate not to be stuck with the scalpel,
asciilifeform: insulae?
asciilifeform still grunting his way through log
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: the fundamental 'communist' act is to ~lean on the group~
asciilifeform: not the roulette, i mean
asciilifeform: see also the proverbial 'ты умри сегодня а я завтра'.
asciilifeform: and every living thing is in its heart, on a bad day, 'communist'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the christians called it 'sloth'
asciilifeform: which is why i'm not envying davout his job.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: but the bettors who kept their windfall and then whined about being 'cheated', they are plainly scum and the wrath of ragnarok is theirs to be suffered ~first~ by any reasonable justice, imho.
asciilifeform: again, this is far from my planet, i cannot rightfully propose to judge the sultan.
asciilifeform: note that sultan did not do this..
asciilifeform: but it is not my place to tell mircea_popescu (or davout , who in this case is holding the scalpel ) exactly how.
asciilifeform: you do it by picking up the sword and saying 'eh no you buggers ain't equal'
asciilifeform: that's really what ~will is~.