asciilifeform: with all of the costs.

asciilifeform: if you want rational numeric tower (as mircea_popescu describes above) you are condemned to lisp.

asciilifeform: to me, c MEANS buffer overflows and idiot type casts, and pointers.

asciilifeform: thus far it sounds like 'why wash hands after shitting, there are microbes everywhere'

asciilifeform: i'm still waiting to hear what is 'fundamentally c'

asciilifeform: this much cannot be escaped.

asciilifeform: ...?

asciilifeform: and place the bits CPU-independently.

asciilifeform: point being that i can define, e.g., a 48-bit mantissa and 11-bit exponent, and USE THIS and ada will behave sanely.

asciilifeform: use machine integers when they fit.

asciilifeform: what i'm saying is that operating on machine integers when you really mean something quite else, is braindamaged

asciilifeform: by knowing it ?

asciilifeform: just gotta use BRAIN.

asciilifeform: CAN define.

asciilifeform: ^ false

asciilifeform: you "can't define this" but nevertheless define THAT,

asciilifeform: fuck you do, it's still going to be an ugly hack where

asciilifeform: <+mircea_popescu> so this is what i mean by "it's a c" : whatever the

asciilifeform: except to the purpose of SHRINKING same.

asciilifeform: and i am NOT interested in further hacking on cpp turd.

asciilifeform: ever.

asciilifeform: which - is is my belief - must NOT garbagecollect

asciilifeform: NOT for safety-critical software

asciilifeform: phf: ENTIRELY different applications. tinyscheme was suggested SPECIFICALLY for embedding in large cpp program with ~tiny~ loc budget

asciilifeform: ~which~ fact

asciilifeform: show me one!

asciilifeform: phf: afaik there still are none!

asciilifeform: this would be helpful

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly say what you think of as 'a c'

asciilifeform: i just don't see ANY practical alternative to it

asciilifeform: phf: actually i don't much enjoy ada

asciilifeform: it was an ~example~ somebody wrote.

asciilifeform: the 'even' thing was not a built in op !

asciilifeform: srsly, consider reading the rationale ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu reads 3 pages of ada examples and spews nonsense re same

asciilifeform: why do you need the infix claptrap ?

asciilifeform: (or, if space-constrained, scheme.)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for the latter, common lisp.

asciilifeform: qe'fucking'd

asciilifeform: can use EXCLUSIVELY safe arrays, can AVOID ENTIRELY pointers. ergo not 'a c'

asciilifeform: unless abused egregiously

asciilifeform: for fucks sake it isn't a c

asciilifeform: fortran has no redeeming value, period

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how is a 'towards Derive' a fortran ?!

asciilifeform: (e.g., no laziness)

asciilifeform: jurov: ml (predecessor of haskell) is sorta like haskell but without some of the more egregious mental illnesses

asciilifeform: at the cost of doing 25x moar wurk total.

asciilifeform: motherfucking MONADS

asciilifeform: jurov: unlimited memory, instantaneous movement of data, magical i/o...

asciilifeform: PeterL: it leaked memory from day1

asciilifeform: it is a steaming megatonnne of shit.

asciilifeform: i ~won't~ use firefox, for instance.

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: but this is not saying much.

asciilifeform: 'chromium' was, last i knew, the ~least~ braindamaged

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there ARE NO sane graphical wwwtrons

asciilifeform: and at any rate, 9 was my top bid because... that was all the coinz i had.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it still tastes like rusty nailz

asciilifeform feels like complete idiot for having had notions of buying

asciilifeform: hm ok

asciilifeform: can anyone suggest a reason why an honest man might ask for such a thing ?

asciilifeform: '

asciilifeform: if Matic could, as a matter of courtesy, provide the complete logs for the site.

asciilifeform: 'Although this is not a requirement, and assuming he has kept a copy, I would also appreciate

asciilifeform: http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-first-progress-report#comment-8398

asciilifeform: in one of the signed bids.

asciilifeform: he was!

asciilifeform: hence rando

asciilifeform: didn't even deny it with any serious vigour when confronted.

asciilifeform: PeterL: he was this fella whom hitler hired to waste our time for ~2y

asciilifeform: davout: so is decimation, what of it

asciilifeform: is wotless rando still in first place ?

asciilifeform: 'The Education Department has assembled a “behavioral sciences unit” to study the psychology of borrowers and why they don’t repay. “We obviously have not cracked that nut but we want to keep working on it,” said Ted Mitchell, the Education Department’s undersecretary. He said many defaulted borrowers dropped out of school and are underemployed.'

asciilifeform: and, best of all,

asciilifeform: '... The picture has improved slightly from a year earlier, when the nonpayment rate was 46%, but that progress largely reflected a surge in Americans entering a program for distressed borrowers to lower their payments.'

asciilifeform: 'More than 40% of Americans who borrowed from the government’s main student-loan program aren’t making payments or are behind on more than $200 billion owed, raising worries that millions of them may never repay.'

asciilifeform: related lulz: http://archive.is/IMAJu

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447771 << hire to what? sweep floor ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1447772 << news at never'o'clock - 'microshit's license revoked' ☝︎

asciilifeform: woah

asciilifeform: rotated, still retarded layout

asciilifeform: i did find myself wondering if the author has one of those 16:8 displays or the like

asciilifeform: just a bitch to scroll.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: worked fine here.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: try on 'ipad' or similar.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pretty much best 'all in 1' article on subj i could find tho.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sure does.

asciilifeform: $пиздец

asciilifeform: l0l!

asciilifeform: as surely as usg letting tinder dry spawns forest fires.

asciilifeform: idiot entrenched dynasties spawn lenins.

asciilifeform: ditto rms.

asciilifeform: i just happen to see lenin as a necessary forest fire, so that idiot dynasty could properly die

asciilifeform: fair.

asciilifeform: fella was redder than lenin, this was never mega-secret

asciilifeform: but different question.

asciilifeform: would have to be blind, not to see this

asciilifeform: i can certainly see that rms was ~ineffective~ post-1993 or so

asciilifeform: see what diff it makes.

asciilifeform: and ftr i don't much care why he did what he did, terry davis wrote quasi-sane os because the devil personally ordered him to in his sleep