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trinque: I see two problems, one solved by gpg entirely, which is establishing an identity
livegnik: Thanks for your thoughts on this so far. I'll invite Martti to join us in here.
livegnik: I'm finishing up some things atm, and will then go catch some rest. My IRC server is up 99% of the time (the missing 1% was yesterday), so I'll be back in here :)
livegnik: I've been trying to find people to break this theory, but haven't bumped into them yet. At the same time, there aren't too many people working on these types of solutions throughout the world atm.
livegnik: That's why I love hearing your feedback.
livegnik: I'm open for suggestions though, and again, I'm just the business developer. Martti is the real dev on this one.
livegnik: trinque: I'm not much of a coder, so I'm not able to answer that last remark at this point. Martti probably has a fitting answer for that one, according to my previous experiences with his mostly-always-sufficient answers.
trinque: if you're not using the blockchain I dunno why you don't just use gpg keys and some gossip protocol; as I understand it bitcoin isn't even very good at that part
trinque: as I understand it you're basically using the bitcoin transaction propagation stuff to send out rating data?
livegnik: Happy to elaborate on the others when I can make that info public.
livegnik: I can't say too much about it at this time, but I can tell you that we have an accountant who's helping us to crunch the numbers.
trinque: livegnik | trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on the proof-of-concept, and I've spent the last 8 months working on this project << for the logs, it is never, ever a good idea to leap off into some venture with both feet when the venture has no profitability or plan to achieve it
livegnik: I'll check dpaste. I've been using pastebin up till now for the most-part; years.
livegnik: Can I drop a few lines (like 15 or so) in here to give some examples of what Identifi nodes could be applied to?
livegnik: What's the gribble/assbot divide problem, if I may?
livegnik: I'd even dare to predict that this should enable business models like, e.g, a decentralized credit rating agency.
livegnik: decimation: Well, I guess usability on many fronts mostly. Also, it can be integrated within many existing fields. ☟︎
livegnik: trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on the proof-of-concept, and I've spent the last 8 months working on this project full-time. I've actually quit my dayjob for it and am burning my savings. ☟︎
trinque: I'd be interested to see an example of that business model working for something that's not a) propped up by VC b) propped up by govt or c) already had a viable consulting business
livegnik: decimation: Not sure if I understand ...
livegnik: I'm actually not interested in a very high valuation, to be honest, just to be able to pay a few devs to work on this full-time.
assbot: Spaceballs - "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FLSLln )
danielpbarron: livegnik, my L1 or "level one" consists of users that I trust (have given a rating) directly
livegnik: I agree that it can be ignored for the most-part, but Identifi doesn't even contain it.
trinque: livegnik: ah I'm looking at the website for that project now
livegnik: danielpbarron: The main difference between Bitcoin-OTC and Identifi, if I understand correctly, is that the Bitcoin-OTC WoT acts as a WoT-for-all, whereas with Identifi each identity has it's own WoT, and there's no 'general' score. ☟︎
trinque: livegnik: reading that I'm not clear on what "it" is
livegnik: danielpbarron: I like Bitcoin-OTC, even though I haven't used it myself. I do believe that I grasp the concept itself though.
livegnik: asciilifeform: Hopefully this interview I've done with current partner, before I joined the project, clears up what it could be used for in the 'real' world: http://unbit.nl/2014/09/16/martti-malmi-on-bitcoin-and-identifi/
livegnik: I'm back. Sorry for the interruption.
mod6: well, i guess I didn't have EXT3 enabled, just: "Use ext4 for ext2/ext3 file systems" under "Filesystems"
mod6: trinque: where can I add "rootfstype=ext3" or "rootfstype=ext4" to the list of boot params? I don't see anything thing like that in the kernel config -- except where I've already enabled EXT4 and EXT3
livegnik: I'll need 10 more minutes, sorry guys.
trinque: "I mean, they're all blockchain technology."
trinque: insofar as you're saying will computers run and call themselves asscoin if I create an asscoinnet, sure
livegnik: asciilifeform: A set of attributes, identifiers. I've extensively elaborated on it in the comment on Ian's article.
livegnik: Yesterday I've written an extensive comment on Ian Grigg's article about ID issues, especially in combination with the blockchain. It's quite the read, but I think it'll be worth your time, if you want to get a more in-depth view of Identifi: ☟︎
livegnik: I've just bumped into it, thanks to danielpbarron pointing me to it, and that's how I've ended up in here :)
asciilifeform: there will be myriad parasitic waterfalls like 'uber', i expect, which feed upon the difference between what it -actually- costs to do something like driving cab - at butugychag subsistence levels with zero regard for the meatbag's future - and what usgtronic tentacles which masquerade as american firms presently charge.
mod6: I should re-iterate that I'm still waiting on a pogo to come to me...so this v0.5.3.1+OrphanageNuke test is running on AWS deb6 (amd64)
asciilifeform: <trinque> poor hotel cleaning ladies dealt with actual human shit far more often than I'd have expected << one of the major brainmelters for me, when i went to c3, was that the gurlz who serviced the hotel rooms, were pretty
mod6: it's fine, I just didn't realize that in the filename, the turdolator uses SHA1
livegnik: I didn't know in what other way to describe it in ~140 characters. Open for suggestions / feedback anytime :)
livegnik: I'm Tim Pastoor, co-founder of Identifi. I'm just the business developer who's working on the project. Sirius is the real dev in there.
asciilifeform: i much prefer systems where what i put in, is what ends up coming out.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> tho i suppose this one's small enough to read << they should ALL be small enough to read.
mod6: i try it with that...
mod6: i thought that one thing said that I didn't need Grub unless i was using hvm or whatever.
mod6: i guess I can rebuild again and stick that in there.
mod6: i had build this kernel yesterday. i don't see anything about "ROOTSTYPE" in my config that I used... (posted above)
mod6: i'll post my build steps.
danielpbarron: i do not know
mod6: i thought it /was/ supposed to be the same. but, maybe im just derp derperton tonight.
danielpbarron: i'm not sure it's supposed to come out the same as the thing that gets shoved into the filename
mod6: mircea_popescu: anyway, yeah, agreed. I did look it over, and is matching from website as far as I can tell. & byte count is the same.
mod6: these are the commands I ran:
mod6: i wonder if I did something wrong... jurov?
mircea_popescu: tho i suppose this one's small enough to read
trinque: I'm not sure there's enough allowance left to allow sufficient margin for the accounting service
trinque: Pierre_Rochard: very cool; I think americans would pay for a managed version of this
Pierre_Rochard: I have a “personal finance” chart of accounts and a “service business” chart of accounts, they’re CSVs that are easy to customize
mircea_popescu: i dunno, he's working on it. but basically yeah, should be a web/bitcoin interface for accounting'
mircea_popescu: i imagine Pierre_Rochard 's thing is actulaly very close to that. prolly bestwork as a wrapper on it
trinque: mircea_popescu: speaking of women, I've mused before about a service that handles all financial and bureaucratic considerations for an average american
mircea_popescu: and i thought i was retarded.
mircea_popescu: mod6> So anyway, maybe I can somehow graph these things. Meanwhile, I'm still wrestling with gentoo. << you hear that alf ?
jurov: could be very useful to roll back corrupted bitcoin database.. if i had snapshotting set up
trinque: I'll check teh logs
jurov: i expounded on that yest
jurov: trinque: i'm interested, too. i did it once but did not made a script from it
mod6: that may help too. i'll let you know how it goes. much appreciated.
trinque: sure, and I have a working kernel config handy if you want that
mod6: np. i was more hoping if this 3rd attempt fails, you could watch over my shoulder to make sure I don't make any retarded moves.
trinque: cool. dunno when I'll make my auto-deployer thing, but I'll let you know if that materializes
mod6: Anyway, no worries, I was moving fast. Figured I was just stupid.
mod6: The first attemp's error might have... I only got a glimpse of it once though, it never let me look at the System log again for some dumb reason.
mod6: anyway, moving on. I'll get the test in motion for asciilifeform's new patch.
mod6: no worries, now when I check it with `mount -a`, it all seems happy
trinque: yeah probably old; I didn't use a write-up
mod6: it's supposed to be this, I'm pretty sure:
mod6: i.e.: none /syssysfs defaults 0 0
mod6: I know for sure I did that the first time... didn't seem to help. however, the first attempt, I'm not positive that I didn't somehow screw-up the fstab.
mod6: anyway, i'll give an update in here after this next attempt with a new kernel.
mod6: i didn't do anything special in that case. tbh, didn't know I had to, or even what to do, if anything.
mod6: now, the new one I'm trying; that one has a .config -- that's actually the last thing I just did in the steps, config'd the kern, build the kern. now need to make the AMI and try it.
mod6: <+mod6> (this error is from the build where I /didn't/ build a new kernel) << no new kernel, no .config
mod6: i don't have evidence to support this claim: i'm very sure everything was setup for ext4
mod6: (this error is from the build where I /didn't/ build a new kernel)
trinque: mod6: I have my own needs for a nicely scripted gentoo-ec2 deployer
mod6: I don't think I will... so not really sure where to go on that. trinque, I think you're gonna have to help me build this thing; if you can.
mod6: then, I tried the same thing without a new kernel, with the same result. I'm gonna try one more time with kernel and see if I get any different results.
mod6: got an AMI built from stage3 with a new kernel, which promptly kernel panic'd when I used said AMI to provision a new system
mod6: So anyway, maybe I can somehow graph these things. Meanwhile, I'm still wrestling with gentoo.
mod6: so, I have that deb6 aws env still... I used to use MRTG, but now I guess this 'RRD' thing is all the rage. I know for sure that I can test mem on a 1s interval with vmstat and capture that with `script`. I'd really like to compare the network traf of full sync with the patch, and without.
trinque: poor hotel cleaning ladies dealt with actual human shit far more often than I'd have expected
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and yes i wonder about bw. not such megatonnes. << this was the thought that came to my mind too.
trinque: when I was a teenager I did IT monkey stuff for a Hilton
mats: i'd rather be slapped in the face with half a dozen cocks than sleep in a mystery airbnb bed
trinque: or so I read
williamdunne: I dunno, maybe I'm missing something but it seems like a pretty solid alternative for short stays. Wouldn't use it for a holiday but, a weekend in a new city? Sure.