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asciilifeform: most recently historically, consider lenin's 'rank-less' red army, and slowly growing back all of the ranks of imperial ru
mircea_popescu: there was also a that one.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to underscore : i don't mean "cultural degradation" in some kind of paseist "o woe, things used to be great". no. rather, things used to suck and it finally became obvious what the problem is exactly. and as luck usually has it in such contexts, first you gotta throw out all the babies with all the bathwaters, then draw new baths, make new babies...
asciilifeform: possibly this was the piece re buluceala in the mosque
asciilifeform: where on 1 hand mr turing has a point, and folx beat him for no particularly good reason; on other hand the civilization with ~no~ arbitrary rules, goes unglued.
mircea_popescu: which one was this ?
asciilifeform: there was another mircea_popescu article re , iirc, buggery, with similar thesis
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because in a large pile of people who did not perceive a problem with "women are dumb because they are women" a speck of "this is not so" emerged. this is altogether very much a http://trilema.com/2017/resplenduminous/ / luminous scenario.
mircea_popescu: and so hafta go through the whole mess to sort it out.
mircea_popescu: this is not an easy thing to do, precisely because it's such a deep, far reaching matter.
mircea_popescu: the ancient culture predicated on the ♂/♀ split had to be replaced with a more effectual eloi/moloch split.
asciilifeform: 1 megamystery ( at least to asciilifeform ) is why hajnal line even exists
mircea_popescu: and cultural degradation here means something very specific -- it is all brought about by the hajnal fault line.
asciilifeform: just of the ruling brahmins
asciilifeform: dun have to be degradation of 'whole europe'
mircea_popescu: because the size of the genetic universe of possibility / potential space is so entirely immense, all of european history wouild not have sufficed to perceptibly alter anything even if directed deliberately.
asciilifeform: i dun have hard proofs, but... it isn't inconceivable that, e.g., french rev & the consequences, happened when it did because of genetic degradation
mircea_popescu: the historical approach to this divide, proclaiming women dumb "by nature" and splitting the cake that way is evidently suboptimal and won't be revisited.
mircea_popescu: there ARE alternate sources of energy. there's no alternate source of intelligence. cunt is all there is.
mircea_popescu: the numbers here look better than the numbers for oil, however.
asciilifeform: just like 'safe' to sink sr-90 in ocean etc
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 20:34 asciilifeform: rather why the particular shape, size, physically and otherwise, of people, changes very slowly ( geologically )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725827 << in fact this is the very substance of the argument : because of the immense inertia involved, it is "safe" to have children spawned by the idiots. the large numbers of non-idiots or should i say not-specifically-selected-for-idiocy antecessors will slowly filter back out, so you get something for nothing. ☝︎
asciilifeform: iirc that was small fraction of one particular dig, in rough vicinity of $subj
mircea_popescu: the whole teracotta thing ?
asciilifeform: much more valuable 'in the wrapper', this candy.
asciilifeform: ( world's largest pyramids -- not in egypt, but in cn. discovered by accident during ww2, from a bomber camera. to this day barbed wire around'em, no-go zone, 0 publication. )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 20:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's more of an intellectual thing. the difference between a concession and a partnership is described in http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/
asciilifeform: upstack, i can't resist to point out that story in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725769 with the gold mountain, is quite similar to the infamous chinese pyramids ☝︎
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's 'intelligent nsa' cosmography, it'd have to be 'and the white van pulled up and now we gotta get this d00d to unsheath his keysword..'
mircea_popescu: what's the expectation, that we'll leak key or what exactly.
asciilifeform: looks exactly like that, rst.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get these not uncommonly
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 20:34 mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing you seriously entertain the model,
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725828 << but i am saying that we're very much forced to it by lack of workable alternative. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: o hey, check that out! this was actual RST injection : my box received a rst "from" peer (185.30.166.38) whereas that peer simply saw me drop. in other words, the above conn loss was factually third party DoS.
asciilifeform: kanzure et al ( or their predecessor culture ) had some term for this, but i fughet what it was.
asciilifeform: as for meat memory, it is conceivable that it could be improved in exchange for some steel ( from genetic pov ) price -- risk of fatal seizures, say.
asciilifeform: the basic 'improve memory' device was the clay tablet, papyrus, etc -- everything after that, is variation on theme
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing you seriously entertain the model, ☟︎
asciilifeform: rather why the particular shape, size, physically and otherwise, of people, changes very slowly ( geologically ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and yet you believe that your memory could be scalarily improved, thereby scalarily leading to a gain of intelligence.
asciilifeform: sorta how d00d who is 3 metres tall, and chix with tits that require wheelbarrow, live in p.t. barnum's circus, and not 'winners'
mircea_popescu: quite, i have no intention to defend that polyp of insanity.
mircea_popescu: ah, that's weak as all hell.
asciilifeform: the 'scalar sort' thing
mircea_popescu: which ? the fixed genetic substrate you mean ?
mircea_popescu: now then, what's the objections ?
mircea_popescu: and moreover, it is further proposed that such exogamy is mandatory, the superior group will simply enslave the females of all others.
mircea_popescu: even without exogamy between these putative groups it is proposed the future costs of this approach ("draining the gene pool") are a) negligible and b) verty distant in the future. as in, 10`000s of years distant
mircea_popescu: it is then predicated that a group of such described individuals which burdens the subzeros with reproduction ands the suprazeros with everything else will outperform in the petri dish any groups doing any other thing,
asciilifeform: model where the 'intelligence' costs 0, is immediately a wtf
mircea_popescu: while two suprazero individuals who will also most likely spawn a 0 produce a net loss in expected value through similar replacement.
mircea_popescu: in this formalism, two subzero individuals will most likely spawn a 0, producing a net gain in expected value through their replacement with their offspring.
mircea_popescu: 4. let it be the case that all individuals can be scalarily sorted by value on a gaussian centered on 0.
mircea_popescu: 3. let F display all the reverse-to-mean and other properties as observed in the fenotype function f as it is naturally apllied on human genetics.
mircea_popescu: 2. let there be defined an intelligence, as the calculated hash of this genotype, by unreversible function F.
mircea_popescu: 1. let there be a sexuate organism with a total 10 chromosomes with 100 loci each with 10 possible alelels for each locus and no other epigenetic phenomena whatsoever. no gene synonymy, nothing.
asciilifeform: gotta point out, they 'are not here' in person, no. but their exhaust products are, and asciilifeform for instance spends substantial time and effort scraping'em off every surface
mircea_popescu: but anywya, the theory is still sound. let me formalize.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how am i to be a wild-eyed reformer seeing prophetically into the great future when you keep bringing these pesky details to show just how fragile the whole edifice is!
asciilifeform: keep in mind, damage they do on their way to the oven, is cost
mircea_popescu: i don't see any of them here, is the logic, so they were gassed at 0 cost.
asciilifeform: this'd work only if the aggregate stats dun matter, because 'the losers are gassed at 0 cost'
mircea_popescu: and it being the job of economy to find places where we can hide our misery under the rug, it then so stands : we can extract value out of this happenstance, so let's.
mircea_popescu: so, in short : the theory here is that it's perfectly safe to try and extract value out of human genetics by forcing the work of spawning be done by the least qualified part of society, because the universe of genetic possibility is indeed so great the damage thus done is negligible, and moreover for many centuries to come readily compensated by the benefit of miscegenation, ie more dispersed more deep exogamy.
asciilifeform cannot comment on supposed 'hugeness of genetic reservoir', all of the public data has approx same relation to authentic physical reality as 'warmism' rawdata
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but that article discusses "independent" "agents" not slavegirls/
a111: Logged on 2017-09-18 22:53 mircea_popescu: the vastness bag of possibilities presented by human genetics far far FARRRRR outstrips any vastness commonly contemplated, such as "how many atoms there are in the universe". this does not make it infinite, no, but there's much ado can be fit in the space between two "very large"s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am persuaded this is not so. let's revisit the discussion of the HUGENESS of the genetic reservoir, like in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-18#1715655 ☝︎
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu have an article where 'EVERY gurl despises 'her stupid mother', but then she lives another 30y and becomes exactly that mother'
mircea_popescu: a job whose products regress to the mean is properly allocated to the lowest quality workers that can be found.
asciilifeform: ain't that how we get untermenschen to begin with
mircea_popescu: let their sisters too dumb to find the way out spawn.
mircea_popescu: they do regress to the mean, but then again you don't want the girls to use them as spawners anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 17:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point here is that it's not a system. i suspect it's a stock. it's something of the nature of the servant and his tribe, not something of the manner of the servant and its tribe.
asciilifeform: biology still merciless, the offspring still 'regress to mean'
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather have a flock of girls spawned by the common man who despise their stupid mothers ; than a flock of girls spawned by whatever set of bio-selected women however you care to select them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Someone has to be an example for the potential losers, also mine uranium
mircea_popescu: the problem with the physical extinction is that culture is more important than biology to the modern human.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, this is not so.
mircea_popescu: but back to the practical point : "retired" ben lawsky could not find a job with usg.comcast. leaving aside that argentine ben lawsky would not be retired by mp, because likely protected by complex orc tribal structure -- he WOULD very much end up at telco ag.
asciilifeform: dunno why this foray into castrations.
mircea_popescu: and really the whole point of civilised society is the cheap, effectual castration of losers.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 17:07 mircea_popescu: which circumstance makes me thing that http://78.media.tumblr.com/969bdde9852e908a43437df68d990fcc/tumblr_nljckvEPJ41tv1mk8o1_400.gif is the absolute best depiction of human culture that could ever be devised.
mircea_popescu: the latter is very important because it blocks the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725588 of the girl's father. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-16 15:12 mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.
mircea_popescu: to put the matter in terms of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-16#1300594 a partnership is marriage ; a concession is simply using the daughter as a whore. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: he who receives a concession despises the concessor, sees self as no partner with the idiot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's more of an intellectual thing. the difference between a concession and a partnership is described in http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/ ☟︎
asciilifeform: this is how it worked ever since edison got Official monopoly on the right to dig up nyc streets
mircea_popescu: hence, argentina, australia, retarded "we too" orc ourdemocracies thoroughly convinced that soy farmers can build a country like they saw in unilever commercials.
asciilifeform: afaik in all of industrial world ALL telecoms are 'public-private partnerships', i.e. crown concessions, because randos dun get to dig up streets
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 16:39 mircea_popescu: they creted their very own usg ; it works EXACTLY the same way as the larger one, except it's made by even dumber people / inbred islander idiots, and it shows.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. it's always public-private partnership imbeciles, with no technical capacity and no seat at the table whatsoever. EXACT application of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725538 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun need a telecom service to connect my shed to my living room. but if i want to connect to neighbour -- suddenly, do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought ~all~ telecoms 'parlayed edge into value' -- if it weren't for the captive audiences, they'd be in the position of someone selling air ( and not on mars. on earth. not compressed, but stp. etc )
BingoBoingo: Oh my, the reactions to the joak!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i recommend to learn ro, it'll cure you of this notion
mircea_popescu: (telstra are not the only idiots trying to parlay their edge placement into "value". telecom argentina is possibly the worst offender, along with telefonica etc)