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diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, I don't
think it can safely be fully automatic or not at
this stage at least.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: my point re misleading longest sequence was if new
talk in between getting sequence from a and from b, causing b
to be longest just because latest retrieved; anyway, I don't
think it can be done a whole lot better at
this level really.
diana_coman: true; honestly,
the only reasonable sync
that I can see is literally bots
talking
to one another ie ...gossipd, no?
diana_coman: or hm,
the "longest sequence" may be misleading
diana_coman: in principle if one runs it with bot *disconnected*, a
talk within
the sync interval simply requires a re-run rather
than breaking anything, no?
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-03 asciilifeform: diana_coman:
there is 1 potential point of danger re
the described syncer -- if
the 'break line' chosen was ~itself~ imported from another bot, it may result in unwanted droppage (
there is no guarantee of monotonicity of
timestamps except as written by ~one particular~ bot, atm )
diana_coman: ah, you mean
the
timestamp as cross-chan reference point locally
diana_coman: asciilifeform: why use
timestamps rather
than log lines number
though? I don't get how is
that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id >
that for
the chan;
then import everything with id >
that from
the reference
diana_coman: asciilifeform: better state it here
though
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-03 asciilifeform: diana_coman:
this is correct, and in fact is moar serious, from mathematical pov, problem ,
than appears at 1st glance
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:35:01 mp_en_viaje: japan nonsense immensely less defensible on
these same lines, of course/
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:52:06 mp_en_viaje:
thar shit about
the
turks cruelties and barbarities whereby
they came by
the hundred
to "kidnap" a woman and some children (ie, her owner reclaimed her) and otherwise stole some bees and ~THREATENED~
to rustle cattle (who
the fuck warns of
this, srsly now)...
lobbesbot: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: there is literally no case of consonant-e- root from slavic
that became consonant-i in ro.
mp_en_viaje: deretica (prob ultimately from de-radicare) not diretica ; descurca not discurca (even
through very likely from incolicare -- because conflict with discourse) ; melc not milc ; jertfa not jirtfa while sila not sela ; veac not viac ~even
though pronounciation is almost
there, writing still has not followed~. and so ongoing.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939777 << a "me" will not be imported as "mi", because of complicated ethophonetic considerations
that are directly and easily explained by reference
to uncanny valley. man might
take mulatto wife, but will not
take corpse wife. even if was white in life, and gray is closer
to white
than chocolate.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 03:47:32 mp_en_viaje: re Vlad IV, one notable aspect could be
that he was at least 70yo when he died. puts
things in perspective, doesn't it,
to
think
that he was certainly alive by 1425 and yet only ascended in
the 80s. supposedly
this sorta longevity wasn't supposed
to be possible, at
the
time, at
the margins.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:42:17 mp_en_viaje:
took me a while
to figure out wtf
there's a spurious "bot" in
there. honestly asciilifeform i don't
think adding
text after
the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for
the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 02:58:08 mp_en_viaje:
took me a while
to figure out wtf
there's a spurious "bot" in
there. honestly asciilifeform i don't
think adding
text after
the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for
the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
diana_coman: and bot re-deployed, pressed
to latest head (aka bvt's vpatch)
bvt: asciilifeform, diana_coman: i have reuploaded
the reground vpatch with version in bot.py set correctly
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 03:41:29 diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make
the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on;
though it
took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all.
spyked apologizes
to diana_coman for
the upcoming headache
spyked: lol. at least
they have a phd at sorbonne.
mp_en_viaje: but above recipe could readily make an ACTUAL romanian scholar, whom
the rest of
the rotards could pretend doesn't exist and "be surprised" etcetera, like
they do.
mp_en_viaje: but data is scarce (mostly becayse rotards
too stupid
to learn
turkish, go
to istanbul, read archives ; and nobody else gives a shit so far)
mp_en_viaje: anyway, vlad 4 aka"the monk" seems rather like a local stoic, in
the aurelian
tradition.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, /me hoped
to find moar about
these in
the museum of history. unfortunately museum had
trouble keeping
the lights on, let alone present interesting deeds of vlad iv. and it was like
this most places,
they simply kept lights off until we showed.
mp_en_viaje: it's somewhat a pity he was born before
they figured out how
to make houses,
thus he's just as useless in practice as yest's discussed schloss.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, must admit
to not having read most of
the chronicles of
the
time, but still irked by locals' attempt at
turning voivods into national heroes. "mihai had
the purpose of reuniting romanian principalities" my foot.
mp_en_viaje: thar shit about
the
turks cruelties and barbarities whereby
they came by
the hundred
to "kidnap" a woman and some children (ie, her owner reclaimed her) and otherwise stole some bees and ~THREATENED~
to rustle cattle (who
the fuck warns of
this, srsly now)...
mp_en_viaje: re Vlad IV, one notable aspect could be
that he was at least 70yo when he died. puts
things in perspective, doesn't it,
to
think
that he was certainly alive by 1425 and yet only ascended in
the 80s. supposedly
this sorta longevity wasn't supposed
to be possible, at
the
time, at
the margins.
mp_en_viaje: anyway,
tirgoviste, "marketness". what both london and washington ever aspired
to be, yet never figured out how
to state.
mp_en_viaje: anyways,
the etymologically closest english for miriste would perhaps be "real estate". it derived
through different paths and ended up co-opted into different usages by a very differently built up imaginarium ; nevertheless it's what it is : cunt in
its used up state,
the world autumnal.
mp_en_viaje:
the root, seeing how me ain't EVEN CLOSE
to mi. not AT ALL, not even vaguely how
these
things work whatsoever.
mp_en_viaje: as always, romanian "dictionaries" made by
tards, deeply unqualified
to be away from munca de jos :
https://dexonline.ro/definitie/miri%C8%99te quotes some imaginary bulgarian "мерище",
that aside from not actually existing in bulgarian (there exists a
town in Країна Хорватія whose name's
thusly spelled IN UKRAINIAN
though, of course, of course), can't even possibly be
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 23:48:52 lobbes: but indeed,
top priority for me right now is getting mircea_popescu's bot complete. Hopefully fleanode weather + data center gnomes will be kind in
the meantime
mp_en_viaje: took me a while
to figure out wtf
there's a spurious "bot" in
there. honestly asciilifeform i don't
think adding
text after
the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for
the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907."
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 20:35:30 lobbes: wonders if it is worth it in next patch
to have bot.py simply parse
the MANIFEST.txt for version number emitting
mp_en_viaje: the one advantage of
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939683 as a general policy of
the republic would be
that it'd permit more meaningful / informative version reports. ie, "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907, "added mustachios and removed pistachios", by dillaudildo." in lieu of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907."
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-02 20:36:24 asciilifeform: lobbes: imho it really aint
too much
to ask, for folx
to mark version in
the piece being altered, considering
that bot has own version (changes moar rarely
than reader)
mp_en_viaje: japan nonsense immensely less defensible on
these same lines, of course/
mp_en_viaje: it was, amusingly,
the chinese emperor who lacked subtility ; not
that i fundamentally disagree with his first pass evaluation. but it is he
that's
the simple native in
the relationship, on last examination.
mp_en_viaje: think for
the sake of argument how "not losing" china'd have looked : 2/3 of cardinals born over
there within less
than a century ? last italian pope in 18th century ? last euro pope so long ago nobody over here even remembers it ?