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diana_coman: or a problem at all really.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't know re that as such; ie I don't mind it either way, whether \t or space, I don't see it as a huge problem.
diana_coman: myeah; honestly, reviewing the whole V-stuff, the part that bugs me most turns around exactly this sort of thing: the core idea as I see it was that "code is text" and therefore it should be discussed and read and undersigned and referenced and all that intertextuality and context and all; in practice there are the vtools providing some of the mechanics, there's a spread of discussions going every which way and otherwise there's rather ...
mp_en_viaje: indeed it seems to me one who's not capable to on his own mental power discover how to use the button over the caps lock and the button between the alts when first given a computer is also, and for that archsufficient reason, not qualified to ever touch one, or be included in any computer anything.
mp_en_viaje: i expect the discussion still stands now as then : you can either do the sane thing or the dumb thing ; doing the sane thing's burdened by the anal child argument that indeed a lot of dumbasses have already been permitted to shit into the discussion
mp_en_viaje: however tabs can ONLY be described as \t. a succession of spaces IS NOT a tab. only \t is a tab. a succession of spaces is a succession of spaces, even if "it looks the same" on some particular hw-sw combo
diana_coman: as I ended up doing a long log-crawl on v-matters because it's still bugging me, I found several discussions on spaces vs tabs but overall I can't tell what the current conclusion is on this: does anyone know?
mp_en_viaje: i thought for a moment they did that artificial nacre thing
BingoBoingo: drawing attention is typical of a Thursday night at this hour. Meanwhile a number of the smaller forgettable plaza have above average, but still unimpresive crowds.
BingoBoingo: As in all of the platters from the few spinnign rust drives in the rack. After having been sanded they are soaking in a Tomato+ColaBlack sauce on the camp stove.
BingoBoingo just assuming hardware is cheaper than directed hands on a task
BingoBoingo: spyked: My suspicion is that the cost of acquiring a TMSRbootable board is almost aways going to beat supporting new hardware, unless the new hardware is *very* interesting.
spyked: anyway, I'ma sit on this thread for a while, will focus on getting uefi disentangled for now
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-05 06:33:41 spyked: also otoh, I'm not entirely sure custom biosen/chips are the way to go, since they require a fair amount of reverse engineering, which is usually a massive time sink. it'd certainly be an interesting research project, but it's not something I'd make the delivery of tmsr-os depend on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-06 13:04:11 dorion_road: a V-ified cooreboot will provide more leverage in increasing hardware coverage. if a patron wants to sponsor the owner (or anyone else from his WoT) to expand the hardware coverage, having it V-ified forms a good foundation as I see it.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-06#1954435 <-- I'm not convinced it will, tbh. atm buying an existing corebootable board is a much cheaper alternative (for gpg at least) than supporting a new one, on account of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-05#1954371 ; might work on the long term when the supplies for e.g. x60 will be exhausted, but even then, trying to make sense of closed t
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-momentary-dusk-of-reason-or-the-world-as-a-received-trigrammaton/ << Trilema -- The momentary dusk of reason ; or the world as a received trigrammaton.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-04 23:02:02 mircea_popescu: it's this sorta thing that gets you bloody.
dorion_road: while I understand you wanted to the logging project to go smoother, but you were also picking up a new langauge for the job.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-04 22:32:39 lobbes: though tbh, this whole experience makes me think that maybe computers just ain't my thing. Perhaps I ought to think about BingoBoingo's writing for Qntra course a little more instead of this TMSR OS project
dorion_road: to summarize then, having coreboot owned, even with minimal hardware coverage to start, provides a long term incentive to have this key piece well covered.
dorion_road: a V-ified cooreboot will provide more leverage in increasing hardware coverage. if a patron wants to sponsor the owner (or anyone else from his WoT) to expand the hardware coverage, having it V-ified forms a good foundation as I see it.
dorion_road: If a full process insurance business can be derived from tmsr.os in the longer term, I'd expect the bios to be included (assuming bios as it's now referred is part of the end process).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-06 05:20:08 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-05#1954385 <-- so the idea here is that whoever wants to tmsrize their box can also get help replacing their heathen bios/firmware with a V-ified coreboot? this is the business proposition that I'm seeing atm.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-06#1954419 << there are a couple layers to my thinking. the idea started from the basis that I'm compiling and installing the bios on whatever hardware I'm using using for a trb node, tmsr-pgp, etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-06 05:17:15 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-05#1954378 <-- it was part of a study on (or rather using) qemu, to figure out how whatever software runs in SMM interacts with the OS at boot/run-time. unfortunately it got piled under a bunch of other work and I never got it published.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-06#1954417 << the SMM interaction with OS is an important branch of study/understanding to my eye. publishing what you have may become a priority down the line, so it's good to know you have that experience.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-06#1954415 << cool, sounds like a good first step.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-05 12:01:38 dorion_road: With that being said, BIOS auditability and integrity is a key piece of the pie and someone owning it and adding configs for the set of supported boards would be a win to my eye.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-05#1954385 <-- so the idea here is that whoever wants to tmsrize their box can also get help replacing their heathen bios/firmware with a V-ified coreboot? this is the business proposition that I'm seeing atm.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-05#1954378 <-- it was part of a study on (or rather using) qemu, to figure out how whatever software runs in SMM interacts with the OS at boot/run-time. unfortunately it got piled under a bunch of other work and I never got it published.
diana_coman: well, they have actually developed a partnership that works, certainly.
BingoBoingo: jfw has indeed. Publishing quite the treasure trove. The jfw/dorion pairing seems to be a great benefit to the both of them.
mircea_popescu: jfw's been a busy boy, has he!
BingoBoingo: We appear to be first outside of the mailing list on this, so taking a bit of time to try spreading
mircea_popescu: i must know, at the end of its run a) that it optimally used the bytespace by wringing out periodicity in the input ; b) that only the designated keys can ever get the input back out and c) that a specific set of occurences will not harm the contents. such as "two consecutive lost bytes once ; AND six independent lost bytes". or w/e it is. set percentually or w/e.
mircea_popescu: it's high fucking time for a ~comprehensive~ archival-and-encryption util that handles compression, encryption ~and error redundancy~!!!! correctly.
mircea_popescu: so koch-gpg is, out of the box, worse than useless for archival : tar / zip / etc as they exist on unix-likes are fucked in the head enough such that if there's a byte error, either the remainder of the archive or the bytes past that one in the list are lost ; but this can be mitigated at least by having multiple copies. gpg however, multiple copies are equally useless, if none make it intact the contents is lost, because
dorion_road: I haven't developed it very far past what's in those articles and what we've done to develop JWRD, but seems like there is a medium to long term profit center to establish.
dorion_road: spyked et. al, is ^ that a sensible approach to you ?
dorion_road: With that being said, BIOS auditability and integrity is a key piece of the pie and someone owning it and adding configs for the set of supported boards would be a win to my eye.
dorion_road: While there must be a bootloader to run tmsr-os, Coreboot need not be utilized on a system, even if that system is already supported by Coreboot.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-05 06:33:41 spyked: also otoh, I'm not entirely sure custom biosen/chips are the way to go, since they require a fair amount of reverse engineering, which is usually a massive time sink. it'd certainly be an interesting research project, but it's not something I'd make the delivery of tmsr-os depend on.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-05#1954371 << I agree reversing chips is not a dependency of tmsr-os. My thought process there is it's an optional package.
dorion_road: the uefi 1/2 cleavage is a priority crevice to map in detail.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-05 06:29:20 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-03#1954183 <-- ftr, I'm not especially familiar with coreboot, though I've swimmed for a while in the SeaBIOS code a couple of years ago. but otoh the uefi 1/2 cleavage is worth studying and documenting in detail and I'll take that up if you think it's a priority.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-05 05:49:41 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-02#1954056 <-- apologies for the radio silence. I've been down with a nasty stomach flu the last few days. I'll catch up with the discussion in the next coupla days and I'll give my take on bios/bootloader ownership
spyked: also otoh, I'm not entirely sure custom biosen/chips are the way to go, since they require a fair amount of reverse engineering, which is usually a massive time sink. it'd certainly be an interesting research project, but it's not something I'd make the delivery of tmsr-os depend on.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-03#1954183 <-- ftr, I'm not especially familiar with coreboot, though I've swimmed for a while in the SeaBIOS code a couple of years ago. but otoh the uefi 1/2 cleavage is worth studying and documenting in detail and I'll take that up if you think it's a priority.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-02#1954056 <-- apologies for the radio silence. I've been down with a nasty stomach flu the last few days. I'll catch up with the discussion in the next coupla days and I'll give my take on bios/bootloader ownership
mircea_popescu: in other webidiocy lulz, http://ivy.paheal.net/_images/61370761c2ece4571a3a354e16605a52/1556124%20-%20Bugaboo%20Princess_Peach%20Super_Mario_Bros..png is the FIRST, and roughly speaking only, non-stroller result for a pic search for the string "bugaboo".
mircea_popescu: it's this sorta thing that gets you bloody.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to belabour the point : the difference between us, dictated by experience and high level understanding as it may be, nevertheless comes in simple droplets. where i choose to let sql handle its own date format and use proper numeric notation for time, you attempt to convey string dates across boundries. it's [http://trilema.com/2015/the-downtrodden-are-downtrodden-for-a-reason-step-on-their-faces/?b=Old%20age&e=trea
lobbes: well, current saltmine (doing reporting) not only doesn't have awk, nor bash, but is on winblows (no surprise) and no administrative rights to do anything useful on computer). It is comical really. The amount they spend in time/money to do things that could be done with a 5 minute bash/awk (which again, just goes to show that in Incan lands it isn't about actually doing, just looking like doing)
mircea_popescu: not even a bad idea, i'd say it's the core that carried the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-12-04#1878244 thing
mircea_popescu: at any rate transparently what php set out to be back in 1990s, "what if we had a web-awk???".
mircea_popescu: awk is really a sorta better php imo
lobbes: well I'm glad you think that of sql; I've never known if I could count it as a 'programming' language
lobbes: that may be part of it haha. The more I do learn, the more I realize that I don't like it enough to ~want~ to be in front of a computer all day
mircea_popescu: in fairness, sql is as much a programming language as any of them. bash, too.
lobbes: though tbh, this whole experience makes me think that maybe computers just ain't my thing. Perhaps I ought to think about BingoBoingo's writing for Qntra course a little more instead of this TMSR OS project
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
mircea_popescu: moreover, a weekend-ish project that didn't complete in three momths ain't gonna complete in a coupla days.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, no but think about it, even if i add the dump now, it'll be 20+ hours until it ~completes~. i'd like to you know, have more than a day after that if a problem crops up. it's just not feasible anymoar.
mircea_popescu: ftr, today's the 5th, just started ; and it's also the absolute last day i can possibly receive this thing. after that, ima be on the road for a while.
lobbes: weird huh. Possibly I was just implementing it wrong; I haven't looked too much into it tbh. Though I did find a workaround (instead of "<" operator, simply a "<>". I ultimately just need to tell if the days have changed from one line to the next, so that works); re-running my archives into my testblog now. Then I'll be going through with a veeeyyry fine toothed comb
mircea_popescu: wtf, that's a spectacular bug. python ftw.
deedbot: 2019/12/04 06:03:55 <lobbes> mircea_popescu: seeing as these were fence post errors, I'm going to get some sleep and cut this again with a fresh head. I'll get that dump to you tomorrow (with just the fix to the months)
mircea_popescu: i suppose it tries to put an a href inside an a href huh.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-04#1954303 << also apparently there's a bug in the brackets-to-html convertor.
BingoBoingo: Down here I've seen more of the latter. Then again "porch piracy" is not a concern here while it's endemic in old country.
hanbot: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-04#1954294 << eh it's ~always the "civilized" folks doing the stupidity-via-disrespect; i had a camera shipped to cr a while back amidst worries the locals would fuck it somehow, but it was the US side that stole it. the other half of the snailmail racket just delivers stupidity-via-formalisation, almost a kind of too much respect for the items in question, zero respect for the agents involved.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo_: the server finally arrived (and rather surprisingly, since the tracking page had no mention of any delivery date even this morning), thank you; it's been thoroughly pawed and decorated with "border force" tape but they can't hold a candle to you when it comes to packing, clearly.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: seeing as these were fence post errors, I'm going to get some sleep and cut this again with a fresh head. I'll get that dump to you tomorrow (with just the fix to the months)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-alleged-crisis-of-the-supposed-engineering-or-mistaken-identities-pantomiming-a-comedy-of-manners/ << Trilema -- The alleged crisis of the supposed engineering, or mistaken identities pantomiming a comedy of manners.
mircea_popescu is now somewhat petrified by the process, seeing how the first 2-3 errors were found on the spot, the 4th only once a few articles were in, and this last one only after a month was in.
lobbes: goddamn it. yes those fencing errors. I'll need to keep a better eye on that going forward
mircea_popescu: lobbes, seems you're missing a day! http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-04-01 is absent ; http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-04-02#1444341 == http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-Apr-2016/#2070886 and yet http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-04-01#1444340 is in http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-Mar-2016/#2070885
mircea_popescu: but yes, a large chunk of the job is now done!
mircea_popescu: i suspect there might be a further issue with date formats there tho.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-02 16:41:29 mircea_popescu: so instead : hey lobbes, please fix these and give me a one-line-per-post dump, formatted like "INSERT INTO tril_posts(id, post_author, post_status, post_type, post_name, post_date, post_date_gmt, post_title, post_content); INSERT INTO tril_term_relationships (object_id, term_taxonomy_id) VALUES ("articleid-1", 44);", wheren the ids start with 90800 and the time is now+3 hours whenever you start doing it.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-04#1954217 << the line_ids are monotonic yes, but not related to date (it is just a line count). As for the date, I took your http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-04#1954217 to mean that exactly
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-alleged-crisis-of-the-supposed-engineering-or-mistaken-identities-pantomiming-a-comedy-of-manners/ << Trilema -- The alleged crisis of the supposed engineering, or mistaken identities pantomiming a comedy of manners.
mircea_popescu: should be done posting in ~20 hours an' a half, at which time ima send you over a db dump + filesystem package.
bvt: re efi, i only had a one machine with it, used in-kernel efi stub and efibootmgr (configuration tool, not loader), did not use grub there
bvt: dorion_road: thursday is the new deadline; the reason for the bug was nothing cool; it was a hole in my vpatch generation process for kernel which i will have to review and change.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-02 19:03:32 mircea_popescu: jfw, the ideal solution here'd be a de-uefi-izing dongle.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-02#1954075 << Not sure how it is otherwise, but I've installed a custom BIOS on the x200 thinkpads, which was done by overwritting the vendor's on a ROM specifically for BIOS. On that board, the ROM is easily accessible under the trackpad.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 03:43:59 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953704 <-- not sure what'd be the best fit, tbh. I'm an odd one, spent years studying the theory re os and systems in general. but as far as actual work goes, other than my public work, I've been doing mostly maintenance (bugfixing, a bit of feature development) for linux kernels driving custom hardware/schedulers/netwo
lobbes will bbl in a few hrs
BingoBoingo: Of course the fact that Colombianas don't end up in Uruguay seems like it may be a testament to their hotness
BingoBoingo: There's few Colombianas in Uruguay that I've met, but despite the small sample size... they are a breed apart from the rest of the continent.
BingoBoingo: Also, the local accents up there should be a tremendous improvement.
BingoBoingo: Peaking at the rents, it is looking like a great spot to land if I can get them to buy.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ahahah, it takes a sort-of-riot to ...empty the bins? lmao.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, some pleasant fallout from the local derping towards activity on the part of the youth. They appear to now to emptying the dumpsters every night despite... kids not gathering at the "problem" stretch of the Rambla anymore in numbers greater than a dozen.
BingoBoingo: Teaching Persians how to be better Persians is a pursuit with a long storied history. The question is, will the Persians write more words in their note taking than you publish on Trilema for having done the teaching?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The loudest old women nowadays seem to be young and not so young marginal XY folk.
BingoBoingo: Despite Tapioca being a news world crops, large swaths of Africa live off the stuff. It's the ultimate Old Woman crop going further than the old world root vegetables. It's a woody shrub that happens to produce some carb laden if extremely toxic root nodes that will keep indefinitely in the ground ensuring the Matriarchy will never want to move or do anything.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nor is anyone to be had who knows how to set up a raid of spinners, or could be arsed to. << Most of the small business folk will have one chinese box loaded with 1 to 4 of spinners, dearly bought, to hold the output of their horribly under resolutioned cameras.