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phf: well, if her stty is identical to whatever screen does, she should end up in an identical broken state, i.e. getting bits from dd same way she's getting bits from screen
asciilifeform: i've been thinking for entire year what is to be done about this, but have conceived of no solution other than THROW AWAY BROKEN OS OMFG
asciilifeform: ( will pass through some bits, but at fraction of rated bandwidth and PATTERNED crapola )
asciilifeform: which in the case of FG means worse-than-useless
asciilifeform: phf: i suspect this will do 0, in buggy pl2303 driver i encountered, it's the bandwidth and flowcontrol setttings that didn't take. but other than that adapter behaves normally
phf: diana_coman: you can also try ``cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 115200'' since that doesn't take over the terminal AND if it works, you should be able to paste ``strace cu...'' output from which we can figure out what system calls that thing did before touching the device
BingoBoingo: Your serial port, you know so she can speak through
BingoBoingo: Have your tried plugging it into your rs-232 port shinohai?
shinohai: Well how do you expect to get collared, slut, if you don't say anything?
diana_coman: hm, should have somewhere; will dig and try I guess
asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere ☟︎
asciilifeform: do you have a ftdi or other type of ttlserial cable in the house ?
asciilifeform: hm now that's odd
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, fine; trouble is it's centos where the thing is not working
asciilifeform: at this point i'd say that ubuntu is not a linux and explicitly unsupported...
diana_coman: yes, canonical hence why I'm trying to get to the bottom of this
diana_coman: I switched this whole board to yet another machine , with its cable too; there it works
asciilifeform: the canonical test is dd if=/dev/yourfg | hexdump -C -v
diana_coman: but it shows...something at least; why does the other one not show anything?
asciilifeform: 2) then switch back, and switch only the cables.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, 1. I tried already 3 other cables; unlikely all three borked
asciilifeform: 1) switch the entire ensembles places
diana_coman: did a stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a on a working machine and on this machine, flags are same except for hupcl vs -hupcl on centos and onlcr vs -onlcr on centos; and a -cdtrdsr on centos, not mentioned on the other
asciilifeform: ( i expect that most purchasers throw away the usb cables )
asciilifeform: entirely possible that you got a defective cable, i do not test the cables, only the FG
asciilifeform: b/w the working and the sad one
asciilifeform: switch the serial cables from one to the other
diana_coman: green lamp steady on, red lamp flickering just like in *another* fg that is currently purring away nicely at another machine
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not yet even there basically; dd simply hangs
asciilifeform: screen won't tell you this
asciilifeform: yes it sees the tty. but FG puts out ~arbitrary~ octets (yes all 8 bits) and the tty gotta work with this without losing what it thinks is 'control chars' (0x13, 0x03, etc)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: gotta find out how your setup differs from that of mod6 , trinque , ben_vulpes , danielpbarron , et al
diana_coman: eh, raw actually includes -ixoff and -ixany so no wonder that did not do much
diana_coman: guess I'll go through the full list and at least see if there is anything that might help
shinohai: Indeed .... been a long time since I messed with CentOS so I may be wrong here ....
diana_coman: hmm, maybe ixany too, lemme see
diana_coman: shinohai, that seems to be a bit closer but not yet solved: added -ixoff and next run of dd went fine but then it was stuck again; turned on and off again and it was still just hanging so simply reset on that was not enough either; something is weird there
shinohai: In CentOS I think one has to pass -ixon or -ixoff to turn flow control on/off
diana_coman: what X? no X on that machine, lol
mircea_popescu: does problem persist if you use the actual system tty rather than X ?
diana_coman: will dig some more later I guess; unless someone knows this already
mircea_popescu: i would guess, since screen sees it fine, that your problem is later in the flow. maybe the windows manager fucks it up for you ?
diana_coman: hm, it sees it/reports it fine as far as I can tell; pl2303 attached to ttyUSB0; ehci_hcd
diana_coman: otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out what screen does exactly that it works, ugh
diana_coman: to re-phrase the question then: does anyone know of any centos/dd-specific idea re flow control? very same tty setup works on ubuntu or xubuntu verified; to reiterate: ttyUSB0 IS set with stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok; anything else centos wants there specifically?
diana_coman: I might add that I *did* run the stty command first ofc; AND reported settings afterwards seemed fine
diana_coman: on Centos 6.8 (64bits) trying to read fg's output from ttyUSB0 with dd hangs on most occasions (erratically it will work but I haven't figured out when exactly); at the same time, a "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 " works perfectly fine <-- anybody knows what this is about?
phf: asciilifeform: don't forget to bring the customary earth in a small baggy from the motherland
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Enjoy not all the numbers. Apparently while life may be cheap in Asia, IPs are not? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/v35oI/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: And power tool manuals
BingoBoingo: In other news Portuges feels more more Italian than Spanish on deeper digging
BingoBoingo: In other lols, there is a place in Brazil that has datacenters and it is lulzily enough named Uberlandia
shinohai: The Dogecoin consideration was pretty lulzy though.
mircea_popescu: "*A substantial profit. Our ageing editor needed the phrase translating." outsourced writing, too.
mircea_popescu: "here's a list of a half dozen tards who paid some scammers way too much money to be named in an inept piece in random fiat fake news outlet"
mircea_popescu: soo... does the new baby LOOK TO YOU like it's yours ?
mircea_popescu: and here's a bit of an evolutionary biology mindbomb : since the ability to distinguish one's own sons from other's sons is positively selected in males, it is altogether probable males have developed the ability to recognize their own spawn as such.
mod6: happy travels, Sir.
asciilifeform: i go tomorrow, but did not want to save this for last hour.
mod6: thanks for the update
asciilifeform: thaaat was surprisingly painless. kudos to trinque .
ascii_in_orcland: apologies for the l0gznoise. this box will not speak again unless my bouncer fails. but all gpggrams to end of the month should be addressed to this key, or reply will have to wait until nov 1.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see my measurements patch, and output, on the ml.
BingoBoingo: Except for those mega signature stuffed blocks
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-little-shit/ << Trilema - The story of the little shit
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's same generation as my mainbox E350 but slower. E350 vulnerable to high block processing times even with 31337 SSD attached
BingoBoingo: Of dubious up to date node running ability
BingoBoingo: Why not light heatsink to case? Not like it's a fucking opteron
asciilifeform: you gotta mechanically decouple the thing from the board somehow
asciilifeform: heavy heatsink held with conductive epoxy is in asciilifeform's experience more often than not a recipe for ripping the chip from the board, balls, tracks, and all
BingoBoingo: One cannot simply assume a world in 2017 without jbweld, much as one cannot assume a world in 1800 without procelain tile
asciilifeform: it has to be pressed by whole board bolted to sumthing, on that one.
BingoBoingo: Plenty of places to get little aluminum heatsinks
asciilifeform: when you bolt'em to an iron sheet, it gets pressed, so can still use it, but need the iron sheet
asciilifeform: the other problem with those is that they have no heat sink from vendor other than a little aluminum shim that depends on the stock iron case being there
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is what fans are for
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you don't ~want~ them in too high density
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 22:41 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case )
mircea_popescu: secrets are big at that age ; and especially for girlz.
mircea_popescu: teaching the kid to otp will surely give him something to blow schoolmates out of water.
diana_coman: hah, I can pass it on to his father then !!
asciilifeform: i have perelman's 'Живая математика', ended up making the cardano grille , making & breaking the usual caesar cipher, etc
diana_coman: but for some reason it's still my father's oscilloscope I remember better from that age (5), lol
diana_coman: I think there'll be some crypto play in this house, lol; tbh as a child this part of "secret" messages was terribly fun even as idea only
asciilifeform: this is how asciilifeform's brother taught him, with various household detritus
diana_coman: it is, yes; it just did not make it to the top of the pile really
asciilifeform: ' if these pair are opposite -- this is a 1 ' etc
asciilifeform: can show with pennies on a table
asciilifeform: diana_coman: imho otp is actually simple enough to teach a kid
diana_coman: asciilifeform, good idea actually; I suspect he needs more play with the whole point of throwing coin as it is ; part of what was difficult was precisely the "but why do you want to do that?"
asciilifeform remembers the copybook : 'a wolf sits under a tree and sings a long song' etc
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 21:10 diana_coman: but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727094 << 5 is when they started asciilifeform on englishism ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 20:49 diana_coman: aha, try explaining to a 5 yo what that is and what it does...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case ) ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: that weird little thing everyone's stuck fixing their watches by.
shinohai: lol in otc - 16:19 +joecool or fork the wot and start a weird little cult like mp did
diana_coman: to take apart his own stuff too, lol; important this one
diana_coman: but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet ☟︎
diana_coman: q picture in there)