asciilifeform: this is one of those 'dead middle' items.

asciilifeform: 500 is closer to the ten cent.

asciilifeform: there only exist 10 cent and 100 million ones.

asciilifeform: but the $10k cpu has not yet been invented.

asciilifeform: i get this.

asciilifeform: can make 1mil.

asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu understand lithography ? you can't make 1.

asciilifeform: bring me one with mircea_popescu's key in mask rom then

asciilifeform: chinese plants, american toolchain.

asciilifeform: this is why the existence of nintendos was not an evil until they approached becoming the ~only available~ machine.

asciilifeform: and free world - 0%.

asciilifeform: the only problem is that he has 100% of the fab capacity

asciilifeform: i don't care what the enemy bakes for own use

asciilifeform: also not jailed.

asciilifeform: i had 8086 in su, and, funnily, 6510 here.

asciilifeform: which was not jailed.

asciilifeform: aha, and in ro you had z80

asciilifeform: but ~why~ are they retarded ?

asciilifeform: all of us grew outside of the jails.

asciilifeform: which is why there are no folks younger than, what, 20, here. ☟︎

asciilifeform: that future ~already~ is here.

asciilifeform: realize we aren't speaking of hypotheticals

asciilifeform: how often kidz now find jailbroken pNohe etc

asciilifeform: because 'to computer' in this sense ~means~ to pluck machine from junkyard etc.

asciilifeform: not even then.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because on that planet i would not have learned to computer and would not be speaking.

asciilifeform: trinque: iirc i described it.

asciilifeform: trinque: this is sitting on my desk, quietly.

asciilifeform: if you somehow eliminate them, you get entirely different world.

asciilifeform: i like to call people who by their very presence make various constructive activities impossible, 'neutron absorbers' ☟︎

asciilifeform: like villages with no locks on doors, aha ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: 0

asciilifeform: cosmonaut..

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: full-body condom

asciilifeform: depends what means 'maintain', no?

asciilifeform: but he has a good gas mask.

asciilifeform: thing is, as amply described on trilema, even mircea_popescu 'lives among idiots'

asciilifeform: some appreciable number of folk are 'in the jail, but not OF it'

asciilifeform: but when cured, they are as able as anyone

asciilifeform: it takes a great deal of time to cure such a man

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have worked with winblowz refugees

asciilifeform: ugh

asciilifeform: because wtf, it is a basic thing, everyone ELSE on planet, knew it!

asciilifeform: but i did not complain.

asciilifeform: i never actually before or since used any sql !

asciilifeform: actually most of my sweat on getting phuctor into a reliable state was re sql

asciilifeform: see, 'alikimbecause it takes alot of time to scrap of the bits and pieces scattered across the internet into something useful'

asciilifeform: it follows from their braindamage.

asciilifeform: gotta centralize.

asciilifeform: on that benighted planet, where winblowz rules, getting ANYTHING done is such a titanic effort that, yes,

asciilifeform: the one in 'of the slave' article on mircea_popescu's site ?

asciilifeform: question is about the remainder.

asciilifeform: common man took a hike long ago when he went with microshit.

asciilifeform: so asciilifeform, phf, ben_vulpes, et al still need their bulldozers.

asciilifeform: no argument!

asciilifeform: 1 per actual person.

asciilifeform: 10 thou - yes.

asciilifeform: i never asked for computer we can have 10 billion of.

asciilifeform: this, i think, is beyond dispute.

asciilifeform pictures bitch bark

asciilifeform: l0l!

asciilifeform: birch bark.

asciilifeform: man as man, vs shaved monkey, begins with writing.

asciilifeform: i'm not interested in pashtun 'thought'.

asciilifeform: i see programmable comp as a cornerstone of thinking man, same as clean sheets of paper and pen

asciilifeform: this is actually specifically where we disagree.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maglev is also train...

asciilifeform: (what's a train? how many people it has to carry? what of tanker cars? etc)

asciilifeform: and no there will not be a mathematical definition. any more than there is of, e.g., 'train'.

asciilifeform: no?

asciilifeform: ^ precisely what means 'open'.

asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284

asciilifeform: but to see precisely what i meant, and i worked for years to rigorously define it,

asciilifeform: optionally in place of ~all~ of the vendor's.

asciilifeform: phf: which is why i said 'own soft with same privilege'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that

asciilifeform: as in, can you load in own soft that runs with same privileges as the 'official' item.

asciilifeform: trinque: very basic open - can you 'turingcomplete' on it.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how are these distinct ?

asciilifeform: well it is poppycock, thermodynamics has as much to do with the closing of computer as SR has to do with 'cultural relativity'

asciilifeform: and this is poppycock

asciilifeform: phf: except that they don't

asciilifeform: a self-written proggy is an 'unknown unknown'

asciilifeform: the thing they ACTUALLY want is precisely to prevent folks from running unauthorized SELF-WRITTEN proggy.

asciilifeform: and copy protection is a red herring anyway

asciilifeform: it never had serious copy protection.

asciilifeform: no.

asciilifeform: but NOT 'signing key stolen'

asciilifeform: pirated.

asciilifeform: that 'once usg requires that every...'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox sign for me something with microshit's master key then ?

asciilifeform: (a new break is discovered 1-2/year and is worth $sixfigs)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: go and jailbreak, e.g., 'ipNohe 6', with magic marker.

asciilifeform: like crapple.

asciilifeform: until microshit says 'pay 500k usd for a signing key or go fuck yerself'

asciilifeform: or what, a eulora can exist on planet with 5 computers ?

asciilifeform: what, monkeys will print out each frame and mail to you ?

asciilifeform: or hell, you wanna play eulora

asciilifeform: or will you send plaintext to the monkeys to encipher for you ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to crypto on it ?