asciilifeform: Apr 25 16:45:47 <phf>i think it's collective unconsciousness response to ongoing diddled hardware revelations << exactly that.

asciilifeform: anyway imho any rng which has measurable wear during normal operating life, is defective design.

asciilifeform: phf always carries his wood chipper ?

asciilifeform: enemy can only learn something from a worn rng if the owner himself had no way to meaningfully measure wear.

asciilifeform: reason being that these cannot be health-tested with any regularity.

asciilifeform: like dice, coin, roulette.

asciilifeform: it is only a problem in ridiculously narrow trickle sort of rng.

asciilifeform: (and the entirely independent laserless cheat machine that used pure stats, in a shoe)

asciilifeform: and i suppose everyone recalls the roulette laser.

asciilifeform: can dr evil pick it up and learn a few bits of yer key

asciilifeform: is it safe to discard a set of dice ?

asciilifeform: other interesting question, imho, re any rng, is - how much does enemy learn if he captures it

asciilifeform: ah i recall.

asciilifeform: phf: link?

asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if it were virgin

asciilifeform: actually it would be interesting to conduct 'accelerated aging' experiment on dice.

asciilifeform: dice also, incidentally, wear.

asciilifeform: by throwing, clearly

asciilifeform: all physical dice are biased.

asciilifeform: the 'it has n bits' ~presupposes~ the conclusion.

asciilifeform: it could easily be >0.

asciilifeform: jurov: we do not know much much information re future throws is actually, in fact, present in a dice outcome.

asciilifeform: jurov: try to understand what i meant

asciilifeform boots up bricklispmachine and hands to mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: it would be quite another thing if they used a pencil, but no.

asciilifeform: the other thing is, i have found that dice appeal to folks because 'not electronic', but these same people then go and generate, e.g., the key, with a computer...

asciilifeform: but do we know ?

asciilifeform: that's the notion

asciilifeform: (how much entropy is there actually in a dice throw.)

asciilifeform: jurov: ask the opposite question.

asciilifeform: the boojum is that no mathematical process can create 'additional' entropy.

asciilifeform: there is NOT a bound.

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=debias

asciilifeform: will also roll dice for that ?

asciilifeform: but how about the k-value in sigs ?

asciilifeform: i can see generating, e.g., bitcoin private key (though do you have the stomach for the debiasing? what if you need 1,000 rolls?)

asciilifeform: i admit that i'm a little curious re the widespread interest in dice

asciilifeform: 'trading sardine'.

asciilifeform: has ~nothing to do with soap being dear.

asciilifeform: the tide thing aha

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the first time i saw the chinese ballz, i thought that this is what they were sold for !

asciilifeform: stainless.

asciilifeform: 2cm across or so.

asciilifeform: they were a big large

asciilifeform: 0 afaik

asciilifeform: it was glorious

asciilifeform: from phactory

asciilifeform: as a kid i just had a big bottle of ball bearings

asciilifeform: but not as kid, but some time recently in a shop window somewhere.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i saw this

asciilifeform: head - can be repaired.

asciilifeform: he oughta have done the tail, not the head

asciilifeform: lelzy

asciilifeform thought about wot-signed-only as a spam pill

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: i had one in usa and until recently carried

asciilifeform: авоська

asciilifeform: they were cloth

asciilifeform: whatchatalking about, those didn't split

asciilifeform: over here in the land of mcphreeeedom we have plastic bagz where you put ONE potato and it sags through...

asciilifeform: betcha that bag was carefully calibrated to split.

asciilifeform: and incidentally what's packet size to do with irc, it runs on tcp.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: COULD.

asciilifeform: can split on whitechar.

asciilifeform: CLIENT however does not HAVE to be retarded.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everyone knows this.

asciilifeform: i want to know, in what sewer was born the rat who thought it was acceptable to break lines on nonwhitespace characters.

asciilifeform needs new irctron

asciilifeform: oh ffs

asciilifeform: C308E http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6F4A716C4514B5E99F16717207BB9FA823A385CEBBAD4D00D242D9C566D522 << '1 is not prime !'

asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EA5B03B4FD8AC88BD9D59C9389EA8E678620391CC5366E3D99417383F77609D http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2FF671C530DFA823E42782B1C8AF9874CF263653B3517DC3EB4FD602DABBF64 http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7CA14A17798D7F706E0BD77572FA640F291B511A0ADD2D420B6C1B09D31B31BE http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F9E5715A35D36CFAD74E5D259A294DFEF977991D0BEA58C729179642DD9

asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A7D4E511788FA842D463707FA71E2F4AFF924E31A2D2FD84EB7158CD793BFBE7 << moar lulz

asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C1C88CD7B5BC8A2338AA2D75C851D5D66E55F225D5C154B651D0861588577DA1 << lol srsly?

asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5FD767024E90A94CC8B8FAAF203A5EB0F708D9E00CAA9147799D5E7E6F616D91 << werner koch's co

asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F466A8D55F9E9363CFC075135A048764B50CA0BAC297EC65670DEE47F06F9752 << nein nein nein nein nein!!111111

asciilifeform: hm

asciilifeform: $s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA52EBA9030D46F7DB1222BEEEA6F9B542C6AE9C3B2899912262010AA19F638F

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: dilapidated debian mirror ?

asciilifeform: that would be mind-bendingly spiffy

asciilifeform reads

asciilifeform: can haz this in 80col?

asciilifeform: neato

asciilifeform: i even saw a man commit genuine jaywalking today.

asciilifeform: that was the kind of american to respect !111

asciilifeform: 'from neglect'

asciilifeform: sometime during this, the story went, he found his wife dangling from noose in that workshop

asciilifeform: then bricked, back up.

asciilifeform: so he took a sledge hammer and demolished plane-shaped hole.

asciilifeform: or perhaps he welded them on

asciilifeform: wouldn't bother to take them wingz off to get it out

asciilifeform: turned out, old owner built his airplane in there.

asciilifeform: i once knew a fella whose father's house had a peculiar, oblong mark in the brickwork behind garage.

asciilifeform: not so hard.

asciilifeform: i could make one even now.

asciilifeform: nobody forgot how to make the bicycle cardboard thingies.

asciilifeform: the machines, as usual, are not at fault.