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mircea_popescu: well obviously i can.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what that aims to mean.
mircea_popescu: it merely means i conveyed it to him.
mircea_popescu: the fact that i convey a claim against you to him does not mean he inherited it from me.
williamdunne: justJanne: No it doesn't, you know I meant debt as if in the liability not the asset
mircea_popescu: i don't live in a place owned by someone else.
williamdunne: We're not all equal, but I don't want to make it worse for you
williamdunne: Yeah thats what I expected
justJanne: Because I said "people aren't responsible for the actions of their ancestors"
mircea_popescu: for instance, i didn't say people should be punished for what ancestors did. you conflated two statements : 1) that you can't expect me to pay for the poor behaviour of one's ancestors and 2) that i punish people by what they are rather than they wish to be.
williamdunne: Some people said, before, people should be held responsible for the decisions of their ancestors, they can even be punished for them. <<< who actually said this, I'm curious about the justification
chetty: I havent read the whole log but I am curious, is anyone trying to convince, or just stating facts?
justJanne: Anyway, why are we still arguing? I said I have no issue with you trying to build your state system, I just don't believe it will last, and you guys spending 14h trying to convince me the system I like most is shit.
justJanne: I do.
mircea_popescu: i thought you went to kiel.
mircea_popescu: you may not speak french, but i do read german nooblet.
justJanne: I'm on mobile, sadly no.
justJanne: I think places with low median aren't worth living in.
mircea_popescu: of course it is, that's why i say it.
davout: well, adoption is on the rise, so what can i say
justJanne: But I know this because your quote and your article say it.
mircea_popescu: i thought all people should have equal chances.
williamdunne: Sorry Charles about hacking your head off, I'll stitch it back on in just a jiffy! Universal healthcare ftw
mircea_popescu: damn i like the nordic model more and more
trinque: I don't buy it
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine she takes up much space.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque hey lot, if i buy her plane tickets do you show her portland ? a week or so ? ☟︎
justJanne: This summer? I'll work on several open source projects, like the IRC client I use right now.
justJanne: (And no, without free college I couldn't go to university.)
justJanne: I haven't travelled outside EU yet. Never had the money to do so.
mircea_popescu: justJanne how much have you travelled ? outside of the eu i mean
williamdunne: i.e cars, jewellery etc
williamdunne: Nevermind, I'll ignore the paper that is derpy
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you what now : whoever gets first online spends it.
punkman: justJanne: I mean, a startup in my city sells FPGA clusters that can be used for that (or for crypto mining), and the NSA bought 256 clusters, each should be enough to break AES256 in 2 weeks. << lolwut
mircea_popescu: then necessarily i can send to both. so i do. what now.
mircea_popescu: if i can send money to either a or b
mircea_popescu: justJanne yes. so i copy that list and send money to 500 people
justJanne: So, I send you money, by sending you a cryptographically signed info "I sent you n money"
justJanne: I'm currently talking about northern Germany, as I don't know the internals of Denmark, it's the same, though.
justJanne: I mean, a startup in my city sells FPGA clusters that can be used for that (or for crypto mining), and the NSA bought 256 clusters, each should be enough to break AES256 in 2 weeks.
williamdunne: I've been trying to break that habit, think I'm about there
justJanne: I wonder how much calculation power it would take to break 4096-bit RSA.
mircea_popescu: 545. nevertheless a record i think ?
williamdunne: I know in the UK it works with central bank reserve/payment accounts
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand what centralized-decentralized mean.
justJanne: I can send money to another merchant without it ever touching a bank
mircea_popescu: the idea that i'd allow a third party to look into my accounts... what the fuck is this, the future ?
mircea_popescu: and reported. i would never use it.
williamdunne: Sorta like the £1,000,000 note in the UK I guess
mircea_popescu: justJanne you know i use cash almost exclusively ?
williamdunne: Ah, well I prefer the former in this case then
williamdunne: I say we, I'm not involved
justJanne: Again, I have no issue with your system.
williamdunne: I want no leaders = dictator
williamdunne: I have to convince people to make some clicks, not hard if freenode implements a tax
williamdunne: And if they do I will move
williamdunne: I drive onto a tollroad, pay them for that
justJanne: Did you click "I agree to Freenode"'s ToS, ever?
williamdunne: I don't click "I agree to give up 40% of my income"
williamdunne: I click "I agree to the ToS"
mircea_popescu: you come up with a deal, if i agree you get away with it.
williamdunne: Well, I would
mircea_popescu: i don't recall signing this deal.
justJanne: I ask again.
mircea_popescu: i am buying access to anything i feel like.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : i, personally, pay no taxes. agents i own pay taxes in the jurisdictions i've incorporated them in, as you'd expect.
justJanne: Ah, that kind of "I question your authority" letter.
mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't, fuckall and i dun care.
mircea_popescu: i've been in open rebellion for years now.
mircea_popescu: i don't care if it's unanimity.
williamdunne: If you don't move out of Germany I will rape you
mircea_popescu: either you have the whole contract written down, or i'm not signing.
williamdunne: And I like the current availability of toilet paper
justJanne: I hope the UK leaves the EU.
williamdunne: I could imagine a fair amount moving there
williamdunne: justJanne: Yes, I agree if it leaves the EU
mircea_popescu: justJanne you know i pay 3% in romania.
justJanne: I hope the UK leaves the EU.
williamdunne: Nope, shall I have a google?
williamdunne: I would imagine that they'd be moved to Plymouth or Bristol or summin
williamdunne: I hoped they would do it
williamdunne: Precisely, I've been ranting far too often recently about how London should tell the rest of the UK to fuck off
mircea_popescu: which was one of the lulziest things i saw that year.
mircea_popescu: i dun expect, just putting things in perspective :)
williamdunne: Okay I see what you mean, but the UK needs it less
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well yes, thats what I'm talking about but the reverse
williamdunne: If I want to start a business in the UK, I can pretty easily sell my product wherever the fuck I want. Banks are willing to work with me, that will be fine. If I was from random-istan not so much
williamdunne: Sure, but I don't think it's a very controversial idea that various rules such as the AML set put entire regions of people at a disadvantage
mircea_popescu: but anyway, to round off the "social marketplace" thing : if one is to reclassify slave labour as "voluntaryism", which is undoubtedly erroneous but nevertheless coherent with the presupositions proposed, then sure, i am a champion of "the northern model"
williamdunne: i.e AML bullshit, trade sanctions/restrictions etc
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I largely agree, Africa doesn't have much going for it but I do think it stands a chance of doing a helluva lot better without various EU/US laws.
justJanne: I'll brb
williamdunne: I'm impressed with how quick shes climbing the stats
justJanne: I've slept 3h and skipped 2 lectures -.-
justJanne: I have no issue explaining people why removing the Nordic model would be bad.
mircea_popescu: i lol'd too >D
justJanne: Not really, I didn't take it as 3rd or 4th language in school
justJanne: That's no issue, davout. Such immaterial payments are just what I originally meant.
BingoBoingo: <justJanne> davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too? << I am a librarian. Volunteering without compensation is a violation of my professional ethics.