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diana_coman: there seems to be some overall bad-internet-weather as far as I can see
diana_coman: after a while it got back though, currently responding
diana_coman: asciilifeform: there was a bit earlier some weird stuff, couldn't connect to smg servers + eulora client fell down for lack of response from server
diana_coman: that's why I didn't really bother re cloak because the ip is public anyway
asciilifeform: it aint as if the ips are any kinda seekrit, in all cases
asciilifeform: i dun think cloaks have anyffin to do with it
diana_coman: I'm still waiting on the isp to tell me wtf went on
BingoBoingo: I suspect someone may be crapflooding IPs displayed in join/part messages on one of the channels. This can be a problem because cloak discipline appears to have gone soft.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: yes, my bot is not cloaked; dunno if that would make much of a diff tbh
diana_coman: should be synced now, thank you
BingoBoingo: Looking at the connection messages on chan lobbes seems to be using a cloak, but dianacoman's bot appears to not be
diana_coman: shucks, 1 min please to sync the shit
asciilifeform: seems like diana_coman's box in europistan may've been included in the festivities also
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Putting a GPG gram together
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: With the more intense monitoring two of the rockchips were hit with incoming connection floods.
diana_coman: all 3 loggers seem synced atm; ossabot is back too, though still waiting to find out wtf happened exactly.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ossabot fell down for a bit too and machine was reset so I need to find out from isp wtf; grrr.
asciilifeform: i'ma put the sync thing on backburner, will instead write a proper disconnection detector, cuz this is ridiculous
asciilifeform: really oughta have even moar logotrons, we were down to 1 working unit today
asciilifeform ate the log, will process after tea
asciilifeform: and loox like it'll need a disconnect detector (e.g. '5min w/out incoming pings or lines' would still be 9000x better than the current 'unplugged for hours and still thinks connected' )
asciilifeform: snsabot restarted by hand. log synced by hand via lobbes ( diana_coman yours appears to be down ! bot & reader both )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 08:03:01 mp_en_viaje: so if you don't know, ask ; i'll either give you the thing or else tell you why not, at which point ~you'll fucking know why not~. see ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940024 << yeah I see your point. I get in the habit of assuming instead of asking. /me goes to learn some latin and prepare for a proper ask
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 05:12:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939876 << i thought as it stands they're good forever, which is how eg spyked 's bot was voicing itself.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940025 <-- indeed, feedbot and spykedbot already use this method. not sure if token even necessarily required forever, in practice will reconnect about once/month
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 22:28:19 asciilifeform: i find it mighty 'coincidence'(tm) that for year+ we get 24/7 pipe, and then put a logger and nao dulap-I treatment.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939920 <-- moreover, for some reason it seems that passive (i.e. listening) tcp socket much easier to keep open than active one; it's often happened to me to get to irc console in the morning and notice "ping timeout" from server for ??? reason.
spyked: also, while doing this importing work I've gathered a (still ongoing) list of broken links that might make for a lulzy blogpost
spyked: yeah and there's other problems with the theme. it's all on the list, incl. proper selection
mp_en_viaje: your title's swimming amongs left/right links
spyked: not sending internal trackbacks tho, prolly because still using old link schema. anyway, lotsa work left still, meanwhile articles will continue pouring there for a while.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, ooo, thing sending trackbacks already?
diana_coman: and then teledickensis too ?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, the one thing about boy engineers is that what they actually want of this world is some way they can futz on these here knobs until the girl over-there takes her panties off.
diana_coman goes back to futzing-particles in eulora
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 05:03:23 mp_en_viaje: so if you don't know, ask ; i'll either give you the thing or else tell you why not, at which point ~you'll fucking know why not~. see ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940024 - this is like kindergarten-lesson, found myself repeating "ask!!!" in #o too, no idea why/what is so hard about it.
mp_en_viaje: but, on the upside, all my outbound's spread over a spectrum for keks an' giggles.
mp_en_viaje: in other top keks, my multi-ip exit bridge here is breaking everything, had to reload http://thimbron.com/2019/10/wip-irc-takeover-initial-findings/#comment-21 like a dozen times before coincidentally ip stasyed same long enough to move past the "stale page" thing
mp_en_viaje: anyways, i'll be around for a while, giving the whores a day off before they start dying of exhaustion under me.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 00:26:32 asciilifeform: expects that 'adult' synctron will be nearly as complicated as the logger per se...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 00:21:57 asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo , broadcast the barf as it comes in
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 00:17:05 asciilifeform: meanwhile in the analogue room -- asciilifeform already found a logical boojum in sync demo -- will not fetch tails for chans where nuffin was proposed to drop. ( easy to fix, but i've not enuff wake-hours atm to do it just nao )
mp_en_viaje: nothing wsrong with keeping the dc in the know so they don't take you for yokels ; but nothing gained by twisting their neck either, they're not doing it.
mp_en_viaje: bullshit started a few months ago, when sporadically reported, and it'll prolly continue until l3 or whoever operates the sick interchange point gets their shit in order.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 23:52:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They're wrestling with international carrier. Will let you know when there's news.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939944 << by my own diagnosis it seems entirely very unlikely the dc's fault ; but rather looks like some ipx upstream either in brazil or with the main carribean ring in florida.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 22:21:16 asciilifeform: outage apparently over, but, annoyingly, bvt's patched bot did NOT correctly detect the disconnect.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939914 << well conceivably there'll be a time threshold any automated detection's not possible past ; and it probably is about that large, seeing how freenode pings are half minute in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, i suppose it's one of those "you had to be there for" things.
mp_en_viaje: the matter behind us they kiss, slut gets her shot, and as she's about to do to it what it was asking for (the shot i mean) i'm right in there... "to your health!"
mp_en_viaje: cuz she's austrian, see, an' about as awkward in english as you'd like, she's perhaps last week had the flu, maybe. this comes out as "she has a virus".
mp_en_viaje: after which she agrees, if sluts want drinks they gotta get them from her (being as she's the waitress, makes sense) but she ominously warns us that... well... she has a virus.
mp_en_viaje: nyone ever took your bra ?" "well... i mean boyfriends but like... no, nobody said give me your bra, hand it over, etc like that, no" "so it's the first time" "yeah!" and on it went, apparently every girl there had some first time experience that night with yours truly.
mp_en_viaje: which reminds me, as it happens, of last night. so i order a pile of vodka shots, and this nice tits chinese looking but not chinese girl wants one, so i'm like... well, you gotta kiss the waitress. who's as surprised as anyone by the sidden turn of events, "you know, i've been working here for years, i've never seen anything likethis" "yeah, that's what girls usually say to me". then she went around asking randomly, "hey, a
mp_en_viaje: i don't mind so much, personally, but perhaps others harder to console.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 21:29:19 asciilifeform: if two peers offer the same length of tail, the peer with the higher priority (indicated by order of mention in config) is chosen.
mp_en_viaje: ile the three dozen dudes lined the bar being incels-with-beers (deserted bar, as even the fucking waitress was sitting at my table, kissing random girls for drinks).
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939899 << lol apparently i managed to miss out a lot while taking less than a day to do slutty things with sluts -- i last spoke 11h and apparently was supposed to give above proposal significantly before 21h. how the fuck am i to do this is anyone's guess ; the consolation prize's that all the sluts in the joint crowded my table / gifted me bras / shoved tits in my face wh
mp_en_viaje: we still have more work to do than people to do it as it stands.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 21:15:31 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938022 << if you're hardening against the unreliability of freenode, why use freenode as your sync transport?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939883 << because it's just wireframe anyway, we don't bother fixing unbroken things. should this issue excavate itself into relevancy, we'll prolly just point-to-point around it. but so far...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 21:06:09 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937851 << so here's an idea. suppose you could define a ttl on your voice tokens, i.e. "worx until block x". then folks could pile them up for travels.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939876 << i thought as it stands they're good forever, which is how eg spyked 's bot was voicing itself.
mp_en_viaje: so if you don't know, ask ; i'll either give you the thing or else tell you why not, at which point ~you'll fucking know why not~. see ?
mp_en_viaje: if you don't know whether your lamp is broken because the power plug's dead, the cable inside is fucked, or the lightbulb dead, you don't first built a spaceship out of that lamp and "see then". you replace the lightbulb first, see if it fixes it. then from there, ONE THING AT A TIME.
mp_en_viaje: omfg act to reduce unknowns. RATIONAL BEHAVIOUR it is called. the fucking reason you, as a serious engineer, try things ~one at a time~ rather than in random configurations is that you're trying to reduce unknowns. not to nurse old unknowns into survival and perhaps even invent new ones ?!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 20:24:25 lobbes: still ain't a mp-endorsed castle either. I figure that time may come one day, but that time isn't now as far as I can tell.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 18:57:52 asciilifeform: lobbes: if you want to emphasize that it's a mp-endorsed castle, put the deed in the chan subjline like in #a.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 18:57:15 asciilifeform: lobbes: #lobbes is imho preferable to the other. (seems to be the de-facto standard presently)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939872 << yeah, the trilema-name thing is rather an artefact of "how to do what http://trilema.com/2019/concedo-hoc/ does before we have it).
mp_en_viaje: one of those excellent things the w3c retards did by accident.
mp_en_viaje: then if later the sorting mechanism sorts them otherwise, meatviewer will show a diff Q-selection, while all the while mechanical viewer sees the same N
mp_en_viaje: page, ie, available to mechanical reader~.
mp_en_viaje: and yet another final thing : having fixwidth block display elements affords you a very good solution to the exact problem you're dealing with : how to put N elements in space for Q elements. what you do is, declare the fixwidth block element with the display widh you wand and with content of the N element ~sorted somehow~. then on display block element will only show the first Q, leaving the rest offscreen ~but still on the
mp_en_viaje: as it is the 6m from eulora bleeds into spyked/7h block
mp_en_viaje: since we're doing visuals, imho the time delay should be on the tooltip not on the actual page. that way you can have two lines even. but if you want to keep the time on display, imo the chan-time tuple should came in ~individual~ single line wrappings.
mp_en_viaje: in any case, it's narrower than the actual log on my screen. imo the "<meta name='viewport' content='width=device-width" you start with is correct ; but if you're not willing for some reason to apply the implicit scaling throughout, at least pick an arbitrary pixel size (1024, 1280, whatever viewports most commonly are in your view) and use that.
mp_en_viaje: ived from something it very much is not making identification a lot more doubtful than they need to be, it's like nominalist sabotage ; 2. you specify a fixwidth, in FUCKING EMS. wtf, ems are for glyphs, it's like giving your height in delta-pascals.
mp_en_viaje: one final thing : it's not clear to me exactly if img.inline { margin: 0.5em auto 1em auto; display: block; border: 1px solid black; width: 34em; } is how you opted to specify the header for the logger site. if so, it's dumb for the following reasons : 1. that it's not called anything like that, or even anything arbitrary, but something mechanically-ineptly der
mp_en_viaje: but then again there's a reason they came up with an euphemistic name for their idiocy in the first place. leftards claiming capitalism doesn't work is like oligophrens "preferring to be called" beautiful lip people, pretending speech doesn't work.
mp_en_viaje: (this multi-slot auction mechanism as described is actually a lot smarter than maybe realised at first sight, it does exactly what leftards claim capitalism can not do.)
mp_en_viaje: and list how much the current listed paid you, which'd be as it stands 0.
mp_en_viaje: alternatively, charge a fee for listing, by adding a small "be here" link, leading to a page, explaining that everyone there is there by ahving paid, and if you pay more than the one who paid least you get the top spot for as long as that lasts.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 18:34:20 asciilifeform: sumthing clever ~will~ have to be done w/ the header , 7 might even fit right nao, but 8 defo won't..
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939870 << so add the first however many fit by last-updated in there, and permit "hacked" url notation anyway. eg right now "trilema" as listed links http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema ; but http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/xxx works in any case, whether it's listed or not, so all's good.
mp_en_viaje: "oh let's go to lunch" "okay..." "where'd you like to go ?" "oh i dunno... anywhere i guess" "is steak'n'sheak okay?" "oh i dunno... shall we ask sarah too?" holy shit enough.
mp_en_viaje: you have the "awkward"ness cutter, fucken use it, wtf are you trying to recreate esltard existence ?
mp_en_viaje: wut is all this awkwarding anyways!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:50:29 lobbes: once I make that switch, I would not mind it being logged if folx are willing to log it
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939865 << lol no, you're supposed to ask for one of those deed things
mp_en_viaje: if you don't put any teeth behind the whole thing it'll collapse into chaos.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:27:36 asciilifeform: lobbes do you want it logged by the orchestra ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:26:11 asciilifeform: atm the hand-operated sync only feels practical because there is very little traffic in most of the chans. if all 6 were burning hot 24/7 , could take many hrs of frustrated cranking to actually sync'em all.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939856 << you will notice that the whole echafaudage is specifically design to keep the world-elements at a low roar. if everything ran hot 24/7 i'd be seen in corner sharpening axe for imminent beheadings of misbehaving lords that failed to produce castles or w/e it is they failed to do -- in any case the situation's failure.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:08:48 asciilifeform: so, to complete the picture, this algo is guaranteed to work correctly if a) one of the peers actually contains the complete log segment for time T .. present b) no one speaks in the interval while it operates c) the timestamp T correctly represents the cutoff
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939824 << b specifically may be "the one girl with the one pubic hair with one crabs egg on it" sorta item, as it seems to carry the capacity to bring the whole system to criticality.
mp_en_viaje is not necessarily convinced that this is important or necessarily a goal ; but seens nothing wrong whatsoever with the attempt as such and has no objection to helping.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:23 diana_coman: asciilifeform: why use timestamps rather than log lines number though? I don't get how is that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id > that for the chan; then import everything with id > that from the reference