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decimation: sigh
a few more moles whacked and now this (on osx): xattr-at.c:36:20: error: too few arguments to function 'setxattr'
mircea_popescu: yup, that's the only time so far 3 appears alone as
a factor.
mircea_popescu: decimation check it out, they need
a metalocale. hopefully implemented as multibyte too!
decimation: lol the problem was that buildroot was grepping 'locale -
a' for utf8, while apple uses 'utf-8'
decimation: lol 'rotor' immediately fails on osx 10.10 with "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build
a toolchain supporting locales"
☟︎ decimation: one guess: hire
a full-time staff of indians to vigilantly search committed code for perceived slights
mircea_popescu: no but just for my curiosity, what's github to do with
a quarter bil ?
trinque: it already has
a basic gentoo install
mircea_popescu: at the very least draw
a schema of what and how needs done so people's offers to help can be plugged in
mircea_popescu: anyway, you should prolly take
a bit of time away from the hands on work you love and do some management stuff.
mircea_popescu: but i'm pretty sure can't simply abandon the entire userland question, it'd be
a major strategic mistake.
trinque: punkman: yeah, I was thinking my 4u could be
a build/test box
mod6: so should we still create scripts for people to build without buildroot (i.e. stator.sh/auto.sh) and then host packages for the ability to construct
a buildroot with
a drop-in of the foundation source?
mod6: so i guess there is still
a bit of
a fork in the road; even if we do all of the hard work of ensuring peoples host dependantcies are installed before any compiling is even attempted, do we even want that to be
a thing, as stan said, this is now obsolete. And do we now maintain
a lot of other things for buildroot?
mircea_popescu: otherwise struggling with installers etc is
a horrid trudge, but it is also an investment in human capital.
mircea_popescu: that said, obviously the effort to make anything work on the stack of shit we inherited from our retarded ancestors is nothing short of immense. but, chipping away at it is going to deliver, and confronting it is definitely going to show us
a few useful things.
mod6: not even for
a few months -- even before rotor came out.
mircea_popescu: mod6 just don't go to this dark place where "omg it's the 29th and i must have
a working final version of bitcoind to announce
trinque: yeah, I mean the thing needs
a derpinstaller
mod6: trinque: he and i discussed this breifly. and I won't speak for him here. but i wouldn't have said what I said earlier without at least
a discussion about that.
trinque: I've got
a 4u collecting dust, etc etc
mircea_popescu: useful work is useful work. taking responsibility for the whole world is
a different story.
mod6: we need something that people can utilize to make it work. i totally agree with that. and scripts and other widgets to make it work could even be
a separate bundle.
mircea_popescu: not merely just an auto.sh, but step by step instructions to
a level of detail never seen in open source.
decimation: the US used to have
a knockoff culture for its first hundred years or so
hanbot: obviously the whole ip thing needs you not to own your bank account to work. places where that's not available develop
a knockoff culture and get pretty loud. see south east asia.
hanbot: you're fighting
a strawman, really. might as well claim "nobody could truly own
a cow". they just take the milk is all.
trinque: but you can't own
a fucking concept
trinque: to the extent that someone thinks they own
a concept, I may lie and let him think so
trinque: I will revise to: no one can prevent me from making use of
a concept; they live in the mind
hanbot: i suppose this works ok up until one morning you wake up to find we've all changed nicks to trinque and there's just no way to make any sort of further sense of b-
a assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:24:23; trinque: so the legal precedent here is that your property can be violated by
a low-flying drone and there isn't shit you can do about it?
mircea_popescu: "Note, this is pretty much contrary to what Ulrich Drepper reckons about static linking." << everywhere
a gavin!
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 00:37:59; trinque: mod6: maybe you guys need
a build/test crew.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 00:02:16; phf: trinque: probably same reason openbsd is not the blessed b-
a target platform
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 23:05:49; mod6: Trying to create
a one-size-fits-all script for everyone to use to build this thing is not going to work. And how does one bundle up something such as 'rotor' and end up not maintaining buildroot and everything else? That's
a game that I'm not interested in playing. And it's dangerous for us to go that direction.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be
a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else.
☝︎☟︎☟︎ trinque: so the legal precedent here is that your property can be violated by
a low-flying drone and there isn't shit you can do about it?
☟︎ trinque: at least WA has
a bit more get-up-and-go
trinque: I'm thinking of heading
a bit north to WA
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: it's
a truly beautiful state, but the people here are red-blooded communists
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: my old neighbor here in scam jose just bought
a huge spread in merlin, OR... she showed me some pics it looks so nice...
trinque: every irc bot is such
a turd
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: I have
a half-baked theory that america was merely running on the fumes of the hierarchical beliefs of people that immigrated here
ag3nt_zer0: I noticed
a huge spike in this shit post 911/patriot act fear + smartphone... seems these events combined to cinch the asshole up to inpenetrable proportion
trinque: austin's
a great place imo
ag3nt_zer0: which means it hasnt been that great haha but I am looking forward to getting the fuck out of here so there is
a light on the horizon
phf: trinque: linux seems to support everything and with some effort you could strip it down somewhat. i think linux also has
a policy of never breaking abi, so if you're into static compilation, like ascii said sometime ago "if stator binary breaks on your other linux something's very very wrong"
ag3nt_zer0: s'ok man... i started
a countdown that clicks away until I plan to embark on
a two year backpack around the world
trinque: s'alright, hacking and drinking beer at
a local pub. yourself?
trinque: mod6: maybe you guys need
a build/test crew.
☟︎ trinque: I tried it for the hell of it
a while back
mod6: <+trinque> asciilifeform: I don't think he's saying that, merely that aside from the makefile, perhaps the larger build system should be
a separate concern << exactly this. Makefile stays ofc.
trinque: I think he's just trying to limit the scope of what constitutes
a foundation release
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't think he's saying that, merely that aside from the makefile, perhaps the larger build system should be
a separate concern
phf: trinque: probably same reason openbsd is not the blessed b-
a target platform
☟︎ trinque: I'm curious why these guys don't seem to have considered using openbsd as
a basis
trinque: oh shit it uses
a unionfs for packages!
trinque: dude, there's
a lot of talent in the suckless wot
shinohai: I'm
a smoker, I have tons of lighters. :D
trinque: its clearly
a separate concern from the source itself, aside from which roof it is under.
mod6: And if someone wants to run
a dynamically linked version? Who are we to tell them 'no'?
mod6: If asciilifeform needs
a fully deterministic static bitcoind for his use, then sure, he can use whatever means he needs to achieve that.
mod6: Trying to create
a one-size-fits-all script for everyone to use to build this thing is not going to work. And how does one bundle up something such as 'rotor' and end up not maintaining buildroot and everything else? That's
a game that I'm not interested in playing. And it's dangerous for us to go that direction.
☟︎ mod6: Like sourceforge goes away, or OpenSSL gets
a million pound shit dropped on its head.
mod6: Only in some sort of catestrophic circumstance will we do such
a thing.
mod6: punkman: did you try the line above it first? the first line: boost="
http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" << sets
a environment variable. is required for the second part to work: curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
mod6: i get the same thing on mine -- the (bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1.tar.gz has
a script that pulls that one via curl command):
pete_dushenski: let this be
a lesson to 'i just want to make
a service' kids
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pete_dushenski: which, if it's acting up, isn't much of
a cv, mr. dunne !
hanbot: achtung noobkart. stator's distfiles manifest lists
a boost bz2, ml67 pulls in gz. bz2 from sourceforge doesn't match manifest's sha512sum, where is correct bz2 located?
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mircea_popescu: but prolly best off selling your smal claims to
a higher mienr for cash or
a cut or w/e
jurov: please don't, eulora is
a plot to sabotage the foundation efforts
jurov: he's just
a bit awkward with camera
mircea_popescu: jurov no but i mean... read say diana's code, she's usiong native functions to output text in
a window
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 18:11:58; trinque: this notion that it's even possible to ban
a mathematical formula is insane.
ascii_field: gernika: ultimately it is
a set of pigs competing for trough of the u.s. fed arse-mouth-system printing usd to buy stocks with
gernika: ascii_field is there
a summary of sv idiot culture somewhere that enumerates the major flaws? My own experience of it is that it is sort of
a fraud culture in which fraud "prototypes" are developed to be sold to google/facebook/apple for marketing purposes.
trinque: ah suckless... I ran dwm for quite
a long time
phf: mircea_popescu: in the duct tape programmer spolsky used jamie zawinski, jwz, as his main example, and i think it's an odd, backhanded characterization, that's mainly there to drive
a point about something that spolsky imagined
ascii_field: jwz took
a big, fat shit into the software ecosystem
mircea_popescu: anyway. spolsky's making
a mess of things. what
a dumb article.
phf: systemd was really the last nail in the coffin, this stuff was going on for
a while, like freedesktop.org which is
a open standards body (?) for all the retardation that came out of kde/gnome and "linux on desktop"
mircea_popescu: "We believe this should become the mainstream philosophy in the IT sector." << it IS the mainsteam philosophy. just
a bunch of barnacles hanging on.