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asciilifeform: router knows that it is routing a packet
decimation: okay, let's imagine a new 'mpdp' that is the same as udp except carries an extra bit to indicate whether the bearer is an idiot
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 14:57:20; mircea_popescu: i find it kinda curious that asciilifeform and decimation can at the same time hold the discussion of political time we had recently in mind, and ALSO think breaking udp, or doing away with ntp is a bad idea.
asciilifeform: my isp clearly did not get defrauded in the same way as mircea_popescu's - because their six-figure machine does not as a result go down
mircea_popescu: yes, they can. they can send you a trillion packets in fifteen minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you ever have a decent one ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm on a consumer fiber and, with modern hardware on my end (by no means six-figure), udp flood does not touch me.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i might. atm not really a big enough deal, whatever, some people can't read trilema for half a day or w/e. but we were discussing the general point.
mircea_popescu: i find it kinda curious that asciilifeform and decimation can at the same time hold the discussion of political time we had recently in mind, and ALSO think breaking udp, or doing away with ntp is a bad idea. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ntp IS a fucktarded exploit. of itself.
decimation: ntp has a fucktarded exploit - that makes neither 'exchange of time' nor 'udp' retarded
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking wonder "locales" don't somehow udp.
mircea_popescu: i'd count this as a plus.
mircea_popescu: you maybe think about the theory of datagrams once a week.
mircea_popescu: i handle about two ddos attacks a week.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to create a syn flood for you.
mircea_popescu: getting EVERYONE to entirely drop udp as a matter of policy would be a huge gain for me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very easy to filter: reject anything that isn't a valid gossipd packet addressed to your key
mircea_popescu: udp is braindamaged in that it requires a certain sort of world.
asciilifeform: and it is part of a 'good cop & bad cop' act
asciilifeform: any protocol where someone gets something, anything more expensive than a bullet, for showing up at the gate,
decimation: pretending that you have a connection on a completely 'broadcast' media is fucktarded
decimation: udp can't be easily distinguished, and this is a gossipd-flavor
decimation: ascii has a point here ^
mircea_popescu: lobbes can you discern if he has a point, does the cache get 0'd out if it looks at a zero feed ?
asciilifeform: lobbesbot ~does~ keep a cache,
lobbes: it should use the url as a PK
asciilifeform: i.e. loads a momentarily-down phuctor and says 'null set'
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: any idea why qntra snarfed my comment ? i tried posting again but i'm being told it's a "duplicate". somehow stuck in moderation ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider how rapidly bitcoin mining ditched the cpu, and then the gpu, to get a feel of just how unstable this domination you perceive is.
asciilifeform: trinque: i did this experiment, and found quite a few variations (machine version strings - srsly, wtf gcc ? an automated annihilator for these is a necessity) ; optimizations
trinque: asciilifeform: I did a binary diff between your binary posted to the ML and mine using bsdiff; the result was about 60kb
mircea_popescu: there's no alternative in a "moore's law" shithole, for very good reasons.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see a difference of degree only
asciilifeform: the situation of 'drivers', for instance, is quite analogous to situation where every block of flats has own voltage, frequency, and mains socket shape that the landlord felt like drawing on a napkin.
asciilifeform: it sticks around because 'market' is a braindead slave to its own past, like pregnant cow
mircea_popescu: one's a champ, the other's a hanger on.
asciilifeform: (not everything is a dc power supply with arbitrary input !)
lobbesbot: lobbes: Error: That's not a valid RSS feed command name.
asciilifeform: for same reason x86 is a criterion.
mircea_popescu: why's anyone's poverty, intellectual or otherwise, a criterion ?
mircea_popescu: i imagine as long as "9 volt batteries or hunt rats by candlelight" is the choice, there's going to be a lot of "9 volt" systems out there too.
asciilifeform: so - for martian, nothing of interest. for us earthlings who live in a world not entirely of our own creation - everything.
lobbesbot: lobbes: Error: That's not a valid RSS feed command name.
asciilifeform: jp, notably, is a 120 land
mircea_popescu: still, a quaint curio for me.
mircea_popescu: raped-for-being-white is, i hear, a fact of life for the losers of the 3rd boer war
asciilifeform: a daily occurrence
asciilifeform: this is not a win.
mircea_popescu: to me 120 v is nothing but a quaint curio.
asciilifeform: i dare to suggest that there is not a single transoceanic line or satellite in orbit that usg could not arbitrarily diddle, or remove entirely, at their pleasure.
mircea_popescu: you are aware the usg can't maintain infrastructure anyway, and if you persist in staying there you will one day connect to b-a via satellite phones provided by, likely, fucking spain.
mircea_popescu: if you imagine bitcoin took off because the muppets, you're inhabiting a very special place.
assbot: Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCTVVg )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the absence of a solution is not an argument in favour of shitpiles.
mircea_popescu: no dude, your solution is right. want "internet" ? sure, 50 dollars a month gets you gawker, washitpo and crapple dot com.
asciilifeform: i will say it again, the push against udp is usg disinfo. and everyone who buys into it should retreat to the library with a copy of richard stevens and think very carefully.
mircea_popescu: hey, im not saying there's a good alternative.
mircea_popescu: until you get those, it's just a ddos haven.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: you realise UDP is essential for a number of services and that they wouldn't function using TCP, right?
mircea_popescu: i wish it were made a law that no isp may provide udp connectivity for a price under the minimum wage.
mircea_popescu: re http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00#page-3 < i think it's a fabulous idea. udp belongs the same place finger, telnet and email belong. the scrapheap of a different world, one where undergrads did not have internet access.
shinohai: lobbesbot needs a lobotomy xD
asciilifeform: 'In the case of WebRTC [I-D.draft-ietf-rtcweb-transports], TURN [RFC5766] should be used to concentrate and manage a known-good UDP flows.' <<< ahahaha, 'pleeez herd all yer packetz through usg middleman box'
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 01:52:06; asciilifeform: mats: and given that authentication happens on receipt of first packet - with antireplay nonce - unscannable for (you can't tell if a machine is a brick, a live box refusing to relay ping, or a gossip-udp node)
shinohai: If I were a derpy redditor, I would tip mp for that article. One of my favorite yet.
BingoBoingo: This looks like a promising userland http://tools.suckless.org/9base
scoopbot_revived: Cecil the Lion is a Pretext for Expanding Extraterritoriality of US Law http://qntra.net/2015/07/cecil-the-lion-is-a-pretext-for-expanding-extraterritoriality-of-us-law/ ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Dunno if it will be a long one yet. Just been a kinda quiet week Bitcoin news wise
BingoBoingo: Working on a qntra piece
trinque: boost also barfs about a number of targets, none of which seem to have mattered.
lobbes: ;;later tell asciilifeform Did some research and looks like I'm going to have to actually edit the plugin for supybot RSS in order to get lobbesbot to store history. I know SQL, but not python. In other words, I gotta teach myself how to make it insert into a table, and check it before spitting out RSS feeds. I'll keep you posted. But for now, I sleep.
decimation: the stator I built a month ago is almost to 335k
asciilifeform: why would i give half a fuck about usg ceremonies
decimation: And then is heard no more: it is a tale
decimation: "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
asciilifeform: where there was a massive pile of usg paperwork, killing - literally - a forest
decimation: probably with a giant pile of asterisks describing assumptions
asciilifeform: decimation: the classical bitcoind, unfortunately, ~does~ require threading - and thus, a slice scheduler
asciilifeform: because it is a commercial platinum toilet
decimation: there's a long way from minix to hardware
BingoBoingo: I'm looking forward to March of 2017 where at this rate Bitcoin successfully becomes a device.
asciilifeform: i have considered, for instance, a move to 'minix'
asciilifeform: so long as we have a cpu, a nic, and a block device, we're golden on the given set
asciilifeform: and a gcc fork.
asciilifeform: yes, even if this means we end up maintaining a kernel.
asciilifeform: must have a guaranteed, canonical build
asciilifeform: this thing will go nowhere if we declare the gnarliest problem (build) a non-problem
asciilifeform: it doesn't even deserve a name
decimation: redhat 6 is actually a pretty reasonable os, once you kill the poetteringisms
mod6: on fbsd there is a linuxcompat kernmod -- but it has issues if you make too many i386 syscalls in your linux code. *shrug*
asciilifeform: sun never, afaik, sold a mips
decimation: I did that a long time ago
decimation: it's a reasonable line
decimation: macports does a pretty good job of porting standard gnu chain to apple
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 03:02:01; decimation: lol 'rotor' immediately fails on osx 10.10 with "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217395 << if i have to ship a bootable linux iso, buildrooted for the purpose of building a) self b) bitcoin - i will. in fact, yes, i have this up my sleeve, BUT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO USE IT instead of retarduntu etc ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:50:12; mircea_popescu: "Note, this is pretty much contrary to what Ulrich Drepper reckons about static linking." << everywhere a gavin!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217314 << bitcoin is - necessarily an operating system. sad but true. you lot ought to be thankful that it is not just as necessarily a ~device~. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else