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asciilifeform: and the overall friction of their presence is a permanent irritant
asciilifeform: was in a hammock for some hours earlier, thinking about only this.
mircea_popescu: it's not a trivial question
mircea_popescu: a ok
mircea_popescu: we don't give a shit about agwe
asciilifeform: but anyway, it is used when conjuring up a block, aha
asciilifeform: classical apparatus has a data structure, 'mapPriority', http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=mapPriority
assbot: A single political entity effectively has 57% control over Bitcoin's hashpower. What do we do about it? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IF68Fd )
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fk3p9/a_single_political_entity_effectively_has_57 << philippino up the thread, naturally
assbot: ergofobe comments on A single political entity effectively has 57% control over Bitcoin's hashpower. What do we do about it? ... ( http://bit.ly/1N2WsUx )
punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fk3p9/a_single_political_entity_effectively_has_57/ctpcsko lol
assbot: losermcfail comments on A single political entity effectively has 57% control over Bitcoin's hashpower. What do we do about it? ... ( http://bit.ly/1N2UHGW )
mircea_popescu: and it stands. no man can look you in the face past that, for he's a sort of a toy.
asciilifeform: as for the deliberate alt, it is somewhat like the ancient discussion about whether one would rather be 'scanned in' and shot and ~then~ replaced by the robot running the sim, or to have a neuron at a time replaced with electric one
mircea_popescu: for kids born in the 80s when talking to their parents it's "shut the fuck up, you fucked women in a single hole your entire life"
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 22:53:44; asciilifeform: because wat if you have a 386, aha.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222718 << no, not "because what if you have a 386" but because a) does it work as is ? and b) do we know anyone who could cut it out and not introduce a bug ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but that aside, naggum's via alf point re complexity being usually and generally as a safe bet the result of someone missing the thinkboat certainly stands resplendent on its own feet.
mircea_popescu: if jurov finally gets a proper chat system built in, and we have a chat bot that does auction lists etc...
mircea_popescu: heh Luke-Jr fighting a loser's battle with his "bitcoin core" matters twu faith.
assbot: The complexity of life, a triad on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZbV9r )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ < dragonfly article.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 19:07:33; mircea_popescu: look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work.
asciilifeform: the fact that there is no standardized chipset, and that x86 is really a loose collection of mostly-incompatible shitboxes that somehow pretend to run the same soft - matters.
asciilifeform: because wat if you have a 386, aha. ☟︎
asciilifeform: my point, incidentally, was not that satoshi was a tard (though it may be)
asciilifeform: (leading to a lifelong phobia of that key on the keyboard)
asciilifeform: it is a result of the kind of cargocultism driven by justified and maniacal fear that leads, e.g., c programmers to pepper their code with redundant parenthesis
asciilifeform: who had a machine for which this claim could be made, even in principle ?
asciilifeform: are those the work of a fella who truly, deeply understood what the machine is doing?
asciilifeform: and is a bottomless pit of 'nobody could have foreseen's
asciilifeform: this is why, to return to earlier thread, pdp11 programmed by a single mind who writes every single instruction that the machine will ever execute, can be a jewel that is maintained for generations,
punkman: asciilifeform: all works of man are either 'fits in head' or 'pile of shit', no exceptions << don't some things require more than a single head?
asciilifeform: '...But it is the same problem we find in C++. The question to be asked of massive complexity like that is not "what wonderful things did you find out that made this necessary", but "whatever did you _miss_ that made this so horribly complex"? You can sometimes see people who are really, really dumb go about some simple tasks in a way that tells you that they have arrived at their ways of performing it through an incredibly
asciilifeform: at the end of this long process of grasping something that looked intellectually challenging lie only a complexity that resulted from _rejecting_ simplicity of design at a few crucial points. Hell, it still took me years to figure out what alternatives they _should_ have picked up, and by then it was too late.'
asciilifeform: t was the first time I had really serious doubts about the wisdom of SGML's structuring process, because the massive complexity of it all is _completely_ pointless and a result of spreading the semantics so thin that you had to keep mental track of an enormous number of relationships to end up with an idea of what something should do or mean. It does not have to be that way. It was _profoundly_ disappointing to discover that
asciilifeform: d some of the designs and how it would be implemented, and he was quiet for the longest time before he said that I was probably the first person to have understood what he was _really_ trying to accomplish. That would have been _such_ a great thing if it had been, say, rocket science, but it was not. It was a man-made complexity so great that it had required _months_ of brain-wracking to really get my intuition working. Tha
asciilifeform: 'Overriding and updating old information is something I have to work really hard at. The end result of the way I think and the way the standard is defined is that I immediately saw these massively complex ways to do things that "nobody" understood. Take HyTime and what it calls "architectual forms" -- I vividly remember a long walk around a quiet Tallahassee one summer night with the creator of this concept, when I questione
asciilifeform: but there has to be... ~a~ head.
asciilifeform: and that there is not a magical elixir that absolves you of the need to 'fit in head'
asciilifeform: and that if you are using a pile of shit which fits in no one's head, don't be surprised when the inevitable happens
asciilifeform: my position is that this is reasonable, but what is unreasonable is to ever have more respect for a program than its author did.
asciilifeform: in such a way as to guarantee 100% compatibility
asciilifeform: jurov: this kind of thing is at the root of a very old disagreement i have with mircea_popescu
williamdunne: jurov: I'm not sure how long I'll be around for, but if you drop me a doc outlining what you want I'll have a look at it tomorrow
asciilifeform: just because a line did not execute in ten billion hours does not mean that it could not
trinque: the lcov stuff would probably be more helpful with a battery of tests run upon it such as mod6 has discussed
williamdunne: Wanna do a brief or summin?
asciilifeform: 'It is mid-boggling that a protocol that "handles assets worth billions of dollars" is defined only by a bloated C++ implementation -- maintaned by one company, that of course will not be responsible for any losses...'
assbot: luke-jr comments on Could a cartel of pool operators collude to 51%-attack the blockchain and/or change the protocol? ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJ7QFR )
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fg0jw/could_a_cartel_of_pool_operators_collude_to/ctoh97g
asciilifeform: the main allure, for me, was 1) drepper goes to the furnace where he belongs; no glibc 2) can switch cpu arch by turning a knob
mod6: i.e. I dont have to rebuild the buildroot & "universe" every time I want to add a patch, just rebuild 'stator'.
decimation: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/07/26/the_identity_crisis_of_the_modern_zoo/ < amusing: "“If you asked somebody in our profession 10 years ago, ‘Is the gorilla happy?’, they would get really upset and say, ‘Why would you ask such an anthropomorphic question?’ ” said Kagan, 57. “But these sort of things now are legitimately a part of scientific study and assessment.”"
asciilifeform: mod6: have you had a chance to build 'rotor' ?
shinohai: mod6: I'll do a confirm this week.
mod6: if someone with some spare time can validate my findings that would be great -- these are just the first two of a number of these that need to be discovered/defined
mod6: I've tested installing the iso's indicated on a VM and went through my own steps 2x (once for each OS)
asciilifeform: to get a close approximation of one working unit
asciilifeform: it was made by folks who did not have any reason whatsoever to give a fuck re: quality or cost.
asciilifeform: the thing was, in every respect, a 'soviet' production in the stereotypical western sense of the word
asciilifeform: add a zero or so for modern usd.
asciilifeform: so it did not matter that it was a stinking pile of shit
asciilifeform: it is a priceless tour of 1980s chip design, among other things
assbot: The ZX Spectrum ULA: How to design a microcomputer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OJ5wyk )
asciilifeform: can use sd card, with a little soldering
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "as was the case with this one." << link missing ? << That's a cazalla
asciilifeform: decimation: if that's all you want, get a 'sinclair'
asciilifeform: so can 'ask' the glass a 64-bit integer, and get another
asciilifeform: that can be used as a one-time pad
asciilifeform: the reason why 'physical function' is that it ought to be precisely a ~function~
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I was thinking about generating key in a seperate machine and then 'hand-carving' the pcb to store key
decimation: could make a lichtenberg figure key and use a camera to distill down into bits
mircea_popescu: "take a pcb and scratch it"
asciilifeform: break a glass rod.
mircea_popescu: so you know... some people generate their keys at the firing range. some people have a designated bat. some people make a new key after each domestic argument/divorce
mircea_popescu: much better than a pcb, if can be had.
decimation: yeah but placing/removing components is a pain and expensive
decimation: if one is clever, one could make the tank circuit out of pure pcb trace, making it cheaper. 'crosstalk' could be a problem though
mircea_popescu: end up with a weird sort of ADC
decimation: each tank would resonate at a particular frequency, or not, if trace is not blown. could terminate into bnc
decimation: asciilifeform: was thinking about that 'pcb card' problem. what if you terminated each trace into its own tank circuit, and then 'probed' the circuit with a vna?
mircea_popescu: "the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia authorized a search warrant" << for the record, this is not how it works. a judge authorises it, and im nary too enchanted by this tendency of individuals to hide behind imaginary shields.
asciilifeform: world's biggest unsurprise. of what is there most in a city? shit
mircea_popescu: and a minority of tradesmen, moving goods on an abstract mercator map
mircea_popescu: most of classical london consisted of a majority of "recyclers".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usually in china they put it through a pig first. but yes.
decimation: re:immigrants -> it seems to me that there is a difference between "we have empty land that someone could show up and till" and "one more derp could survive on the scraps here"
mircea_popescu: especially if a rich dude shat it.
asciilifeform: 'dirt cookie' was a favourite in chinese cultural revolution
mircea_popescu: somehow the immigrants weren't the problem back when azns were washing gold miner's shirts for a penny
decimation: some politicians suggesting that maybe it's not good to import africa wholesale in one generation isn't such a great idea
mircea_popescu: there hasn't yet in the history of mankind been a wealth marriage that was happy. and "free immigraton" is notexceptional just because large.
decimation: it stands a prayer of working if someone gets nothing for 'just showing up'
mircea_popescu: tis a sad thing.
mircea_popescu: and re the myth of the west, there was that trilema article linked from a recent one, "florida and other places".
decimation: but at least at that time they could buy a cheap farm in kansas
asciilifeform: where he can work 14 hour days for a flat with six of his kind
asciilifeform: back to the earlier observation, the attachment orcs have to the myth of 'the west' is a truly religious affair
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