asciilifeform: there isn't another afaik, tho.

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99

asciilifeform: whats yer uptime

asciilifeform: they count mine, wut

asciilifeform: is it so hard to stand up a node ???

asciilifeform: what gives, folks

asciilifeform: which does not get to peer with mine.

asciilifeform: and one of these 5 is even a shitazon node

asciilifeform: and they are both mine.

asciilifeform: and i recognize precisely 2 on this list which do not daily flicker in and out

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467378 << i must point out that, at least on same nazi site, the count of trb nodez is also record low - 5 ☝︎

asciilifeform: so 'divide by...' also here.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the tax-declared value of the thing i am sitting in presently is ~250k

asciilifeform: it does.

asciilifeform: so answer is 'just gurl'

asciilifeform: in this case could be 10 hitlers, but we aren't tuning them in

asciilifeform: ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where on planet gossipd do we find equivalent of ' mircea_popescu and asciilifeform in a channel of 10,000 people they don't know '

asciilifeform: how?

asciilifeform: when i say '<asciilifeform> but consider this thread' it is not specified protocolically to ~whom~ i said it

asciilifeform: but consider this thread

asciilifeform: precisely

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you certainly ~do~ hear message that is to you,x,y,z,hitler unless specced otherwise

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only way there can 'be no such thing' is if your wot is a clique.

asciilifeform: exactly like a usenet group in 1995 where you have a good chunk of the participants killfiled

asciilifeform: phf: in the algo proposed by mircea_popescu, you will hear the tx side (A sends to me,x,y,z,..,B) but not the replies (B sends to A,...his wot...,)

asciilifeform: i have killed a great deal of paper working on a clean solution to this.

asciilifeform: if your wot is not a ~clique~, yer hosed.

asciilifeform: let's express in proper mathematical pieces,

asciilifeform: yeah but there is a sharp edge:

asciilifeform: sorta like usenet in its twilight days

asciilifeform: summary: it takes active work to avoid a situation where you are continuously bombarded with fragments of conversations

asciilifeform: somewhere there was a thread...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467105 << phf modelled this (as did i) - it is trickier than it sounds ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have genuinely nfi how - and whether - these people wash.

asciilifeform: after 'outrage, scandal'

asciilifeform: and promptly ripped out

asciilifeform: (early 1900s)

asciilifeform: e

asciilifeform: i was reading a treatise re indoor fixtures, by british fella, circa 1960, and he described how bidet was installed in a few london hotels at one tim

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are ~unknown in english world

asciilifeform: (you couldn't pay me to use a standard american shower head, the kind with no hose)

asciilifeform: trivially circumvented by screwing in your own

asciilifeform: and the crippling of the shower is done in the head, not the house pipe

asciilifeform: we did the lulzvoltage thread

asciilifeform: possibly uni dormitory had some

asciilifeform: i dun think i have ever lived in a place with fire sprinklers

asciilifeform: it is a rarity.

asciilifeform: i was very lucky, 2y ago, to find a place with an actual wooden floor.

asciilifeform: ~uncleanable

asciilifeform: it is glued to the floor

asciilifeform: another detail, since i lack photo, of what makes these dwellings stomach-churning, is the american custom of 'wall to wall carpet'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stories of this in ru also.

asciilifeform: it is sometimes done when converting to 'civilian use'

asciilifeform: but nobody does it for rentals that will be promptly shat in again by the usual clientele.

asciilifeform: that incidentally was the type of structure i was looking at

asciilifeform: naturally.

asciilifeform: (nothing else has been built since '40s)

asciilifeform: recall, they also all have forced air ducts

asciilifeform: from inside wall?!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah but since they were not american boiz you prolly didnt have to irradiate the place to sterilize after

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, i only rarely visit such places, because - while i can outbid 4 or 5 of the wretches - i cannot outbid 10, and that is closer to the typical number

asciilifeform: etc

asciilifeform: the kitchen will always have its unique smell.

asciilifeform: the mold in the toilet is there to stay, until the place is bulldozed.

asciilifeform: such cavities, of course, cannot be cleaned.

asciilifeform: these are classical usaschwitz houses with hollow wooden walls.

asciilifeform: understand, also, what kind of structure it was

asciilifeform: usually there are phriends/fucktoys/family/etc

asciilifeform: i say 'paying' because it is quite rare for such a house to have only the paying ones

asciilifeform: most of'em were in bed, had to be rousted

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: 4 paying customers, iirc.

asciilifeform: i will add one detail that mircea_popescu may find interesting. amidst the piles of rubbish from floor to ceiling, the black mold in the single solitary toilet, carpet of stinking laundry, etc. there was a, i shit thee not, ~2metre tv in every room.

asciilifeform: all he wants is bags of dough, to pay for his titanium hearts or whatnot

asciilifeform: and besides, what does a 80 y.o. ru bloke (landlord) need to whip for ?

asciilifeform: (tower flats)

asciilifeform: they typically live in the nicer places

asciilifeform: no gurlz there.

asciilifeform: washed, and still feel dirty from having gone in that reactor zone for 10 min.

asciilifeform: re slumlords, i am still reeling from what i saw today

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'rentalstarter' thing ?

asciilifeform: re mouseholes.

asciilifeform: in fact the ssh pile of shit is every bit as malodorous as ssl.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the keys are only used in the authentication. so what gets said afterwards is 'promise', not 'protocol'

asciilifeform: what does having your pub in the box do ?

asciilifeform: server has own private.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not how ssh worx

asciilifeform: regardless of who generated it

asciilifeform: if you park private key in kolhoz

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still can

asciilifeform: it isn't like you aren't sitting in vm kolhoz already.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't see how aws could be made worse than it is by ~them giving you keypair~

asciilifeform: (approx - street dog)

asciilifeform: aha, pronounced бобик

asciilifeform: likely - long ago.

asciilifeform: that was re: rms's bobbeck iirc.

asciilifeform: yah quite likely the dealings were with his bob beck.

asciilifeform: buf was prolly told, one way or another, 'you will invest. if you do, we will print 2x and you can have that, so long as you don't buy turkeys. if you do not, there will be problems' etc.