asciilifeform: that it took 80y to get them out is testament to the disease of the century.

asciilifeform: solid state gyros were implicit in lilienfeld's (yes, 20s!) transistor.

asciilifeform: the alternative is that it is 1920s germany and men are men.

asciilifeform: and yields 'golf clubs' and 'hockey sticks'.

asciilifeform: stamp collecting with 0 idea wtf yer doing and why instantly devolves to demonology.

asciilifeform: it produces nothing but sales for hdd makers.

asciilifeform: aka 'stamp collecting' in feynman's words.

asciilifeform: crawling with parasites

asciilifeform: kill'em all and physics ~might~ have another season in it. like neglected houseplant

asciilifeform: $s adelberger

asciilifeform: modern day unphysics is made of a thousand little adelberger scum.

asciilifeform: nah that's idiocy.

asciilifeform: physics was ~over in '45.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: good heuristic is not to bother calculating anything you can't ~do~ anything with.

asciilifeform: it is a dead end in that sense

asciilifeform: the basic problem of 'let's calculate age of universe' is that you end with an untestable result.

asciilifeform: or that we aren't the ants in 'sim ant' whatever

asciilifeform: only really makes sense to treat it as lower bound

asciilifeform: whereas lower bound, such as 'this star if is far off, i can di parallax arithmetic, yes, and measured speed of light personally' - no.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the specific number - yes.

asciilifeform: mmok

asciilifeform: who the everliving fuck is nye

asciilifeform: and end up with something like mircea_popescu's suggested system with constant

asciilifeform: though most forget to add the delta

asciilifeform: shinohai: a good chunk of usa does

asciilifeform: whereas ordinary hex would not.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me, one of the core idiocies of the pgp armour format is that it conceals screaming braindamage just fine

asciilifeform: everybody seems to use the same english bishop's figure

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it came in over the wire, it isn't visible in the nipple sense, period. yer stuck with toolz

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it means what, ethernet cable on tongue ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had a few 3

asciilifeform: naked eye =~ hex editor

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pgpdump -i

asciilifeform: thing is, key generator sets last bit.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: because even can be seen by naked eye

asciilifeform: not 1 iirc

asciilifeform: fella is one of them random int as modulus folk.

asciilifeform: re earlier, 721678451 has factor 13.

asciilifeform: folks only make up new flavours.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled religious batshit

asciilifeform: alternatively ben_vulpes could simply build, e.g., ecl, for ios

asciilifeform: and his salt mine

asciilifeform: if it worx it may be just what doctor ordered for ben_vulpes

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475471 << ben_vulpes where did i ever say that you ought not to buy it..? ☝︎

asciilifeform: shinohai: well-compartmentalized fella

asciilifeform stumped

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unwashed herd avoids pgp like soap' is hard to square with 'the vast majority of pgp pubkeys date to that period'... no?

asciilifeform: it was 'perfect crime', quite deniable (these folks are obsessed with 'non-attributability')

asciilifeform: something, i expect, quite simple, just put in a JMP over the primality check .

asciilifeform: but 'P + diddler D'.

asciilifeform: ergo i expect that trivial keyz were not simply a matter of 'proggy P'.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475482 << '90s were the era of mindless 'cipherpunk', pgp was 'the mirror' rather than 'the broom', mountains of pubkeys from that era ☝︎

asciilifeform: hence the proliferation of flying toys

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cheap solid state gyros were prolly the 1 serious advance of the 2000s

asciilifeform: (phun phakt: mims was apparently an infamous 'creationist' advocate) ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475513 << these were at least not wholly devoid of actual physics. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475509 << what's so great there? the brain-rotting 'arduino' sets that make it possible to 'build robot' in php and without knowing what electric circuit is or ever learning to wire light bulb? ☝︎

asciilifeform: bounties dun work...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475480 << as is usually the case, mircea_popescu is the grim plague doctor, complete with beak, telling us exactly when death will come - and pretty much always on target. ☝︎

asciilifeform: no mirrorings or other nonsense either.

asciilifeform: this is from the delta.

asciilifeform: a modern gpg key

asciilifeform: check it out.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475511 << holy shit ☝︎

asciilifeform: can't resist, http://verysimple.com/2013/06/21/not-knowing-what-else-to-do-i-baked-a-cake

asciilifeform bbl.

asciilifeform: 132

asciilifeform: curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i ".edu"

asciilifeform: 9

asciilifeform: curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i ".gov"

asciilifeform: 25

asciilifeform: curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i ".mil"

asciilifeform: oh and it's been a while,

asciilifeform: we may be seeing a remnant.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475427 << briefly returning to this thread, there is a remaining possibility - that at one point there were ~many more~ phuctorable pubkeys extant, but most were somehow purged, 'accidented' from sks. with that in mind i would ask for whosoever might know of a historic (1990s vintage) archive of pgp keyz. ☝︎

asciilifeform: i have nfi, haven't used ccl in yearz

asciilifeform: reading what?

asciilifeform: waiwut

asciilifeform: (sbcl is, iirc, bsd-licensed, so they could have 'legitimately' walked off with it, for instance)

asciilifeform: i wonder what common lisp they ripped off.

asciilifeform: looks like payware. ☟︎

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: elementarily.

asciilifeform: for a P with ~any number~ of users.

asciilifeform: ~but quite easily~ could have been 'proggy P in circumstance C'

asciilifeform: unless P had only a dozen users.

asciilifeform: so it could NOT have been 'all keys made with proggy P.' ☟︎

asciilifeform: try it yourself.

asciilifeform: generating unmassaged (no primality test) p and q in ALMOST ALL cases leads to a trivially phuctorable key.

asciilifeform: imho we can rule out mass.

asciilifeform: see if yours is same as mine. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i will leave it as rot13 - znyjner be bgurejvfr rkgreany vaqvivqhnyyl-gnvyberq, if znff, fnobgntr bs n ctcgeba.

asciilifeform: presently i have only one hypothesis.

asciilifeform: if the item posited in (2) existed, why are there so few pubkeys which break trivially ?

asciilifeform: there is perhaps a third enigma,

asciilifeform: but i'm not, so all i can do is to suggest this here, as 'easy path to glory and fame.'

asciilifeform: or have a fleet of gurlz dredge up '90s pgptrons etc.

asciilifeform: if i were a mircea_popescu i might put up a bounty or the like.