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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that they very carefully don't go places lenin went w/o a thought.
mircea_popescu: "was naturally involved with the prosecution with evil itself offering:" << this dun flow. "was naturally involved with the prosecution:"
mircea_popescu: no idea why they didn't go full takn and add the gunports, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: kinda died off with the age of rocketry, bout late 90s.
mircea_popescu: also a large part of why diesel upscale cars were popular for so long. excellent torque.
mircea_popescu: yeah. most upper line merc/lexus/what have you have the engine and torque transmission etc optimized for armor even if you're not buying the armor upgrade.
mircea_popescu: 2.15mn is not bad. punkman1 got anywhere with the sr stuff ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, write it a nice 8ball expander to keep adding primes and that's that, can let it be.
mircea_popescu: in completely unrelated lulz : the "minimum description length community" (what ? dunno, ask them) changed turing's nit to to "nat", because why the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't illustrate all pressables that are, but a sort of all pressables that could ever be.
mircea_popescu: so if we're drawing and leaf Z requires a in state 3 and we're at state 4, that's it for Z.
mircea_popescu: anywya : as the graph progresses past the antecedent of a leaf, it therefore goes outside the event horizon of that leaf.
mircea_popescu: (event horizon is the boundry whithin which phenomena can affect the observer) << this is a much less intuitive, if technically correct affirmative statement.
mircea_popescu: (event horizon is the boundry past which phenomena can no further affect the observer)
mircea_popescu: no need to mix 19th century understanding of qm in shorthand statistical form at all.
mircea_popescu: ok, more practically speaking : the graphatron is a visualizer of individual patches event horizons. how about that.
mircea_popescu: ah, no, sh is the equiv of entropy. "count of possible states".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the standard term of "enthalpy equivalent in turing machines" ? the shannon factor ?
mircea_popescu: phf if you use -> ambiguously nobody will be able to think about this, you least of all.
mircea_popescu: thinking about it, my enthalpy-based objections seem to come out of left field. somehow it seemed obvious to me that this property of "cone of knowledge" as per particle physics is part of v,
mircea_popescu: phf think of it like this : if letter comes earlier in alphabet, item it denotes comes earlier in time-entalpy.
mircea_popescu: or fuck, seems somehow Z is the antecedent of everything nao ?
mircea_popescu: in my mind, these two are not ambiguous, because correctly working graphaton would represent them respectively as
mircea_popescu: i thought so too, but then again this guy's leet py script beat my bash hackery outta water, so let's hear him out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, it's not just that "if we can't get v to be easily intuitive it won't see mass adoption". it's moreover that if v isn't reducible to crystal fucking clear, we fucked something up.
mircea_popescu: oh, something like "either y or z could be pressed on top of x" yeah ok
mircea_popescu: right. and in the example given, X->Z (or rather, Z > X) is not a connection to origin.
mircea_popescu: phf "how did i end up with z and what's its connection to origin"
mircea_popescu: i mean socially. whether we have a technical problem or not is part of the problem.
mircea_popescu: and phf has a point in that it's not even a very well understood one.
mircea_popescu: still, this is a problem in search of a good solution.
mircea_popescu: topological sorting becomes expensive and slow and etc
mircea_popescu: i was thinking yest, "the solution here prolly is to forbid X containing multi As".
mircea_popescu: yeah, asciilifeform and i think it's time to specify that rope.
mircea_popescu: back to the issue of substance. the idea is that whatever any current implementation may do, a situation where : 1) X takes A from 1 to 2 and B from 1 to 2 ; 2) Y takes A from 2 to 3 and B from 3 to 3 and 3) Z takes A from 2 to 4 and B from 3 to 4 should be represented as X->Y->Z only, and not as X->Y->Z, X->Z
mircea_popescu: irl fragile parts like windows get a paint X on them, but here no such luck.
mircea_popescu: and as more people get involved this will be our bane, because it's really fucking difficult to correctly mark the walls and the scaffolding.
mircea_popescu: phf the thing remains, it's risky to take tmsr prototypes and extract meaning as if they were definitive canonical implementations of concepts. they aren't, yet.
mircea_popescu: i think mod6's might actually try to press on the basis of "has ONE antecedent"
mircea_popescu: phf so basically you found a bug in mod6's perl implementation of v ?
mircea_popescu: back in ro glory days there were a few people in various ministries doing just that
mircea_popescu pictures alf in NOC with trilema rss scrolling on alrge screen
mircea_popescu: i got as far ; but i don't see where or how, and his example is broken
mircea_popescu: or at least i can't seem to reorder it into something that seems reasonable.