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decimation: if we are this paranoid about it, the only solution I can think of is to ship a separate box with an ethernet port
ascii_field: i am looking forward to hearing of some answer other than soldering iron or gossipd
ascii_field: i fully expect it
trinque: jurov: I have no slave monkeys that can solder
decimation: actually happens on linux as I understand. there's a thing
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 18:49:17; mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that
punkman: ascii_field: I think that error means node is sending you command only present in later nodes
ascii_field: i've been trying for ~6 months and could not.
kakobrekla: i agree
jurov: ssd business is so brisk, i doubt very much there will be significant bulk discounts
kakobrekla: i was chicomfying your turd only
ascii_field: and presently, i am failing to turn up usb rtc modules for any price on mass market
kakobrekla: ascii_field> kakobrekla: ssd is often 'free' - rip out of a retired laptop < maybe that is true for you and me but not the majority i dont think
jurov: i don't have anything around to rip
jurov: i'm eyeing 64GB SSDs for 36 euro
ben_vulpes: i must derp my ass down the coast now, however.
ben_vulpes: i'm beginning to suspect that booting bitcoin nodes cannot be automated in the same way that diddling one's gpg cannot be automated. ☟︎
ascii_field: i am reaching the conclusion that: to the extent bitcoin relies on political time AT ALL, it is broken.
ascii_field: trinque: aha, just when i thought that nothing could be more retarded than ntp
ascii_field: but more than anything, i expect that any centralized points of failure ~will~ be usgized
ascii_field: and yes, i expect the pipe to be maximally hostile
trinque: I dunno any additional complexity is "cheaper" than the extra 25 bucks or w/e for the clock
jurov: i can't imagine what would have to be done if you expect your own pipe to be utterly hostile
trinque: incidentally I have found tinc to be rather fucking nice for p2p networking
trinque: but then I suppose that suffers from attacks against the routing involved to get to that IP
ascii_field: the only solution i can presently think of is a variant of ntp over gossipd.
trinque: I don't see a way of getting the time that *doesn't* suffer from that
trinque: yeah I do
ben_vulpes: myeah i'm troubled.
ascii_field: the other one appears to only affect 'phone books', which i'm not even certain matter
kakobrekla: i dont see how maxint is better than '0' except for the pride parade
ben_vulpes: i'm coming around.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i brought up this point before. asked mircea_popescu why we insist on making it so easy for gavinists to wall off our net from the rubes. iirc mircea_popescu said 'fuck them all'
ben_vulpes: i actually think setting version to $maxint is a pretty great idea.
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today << eeeheuhe
mircea_popescu: i know.
ascii_field: also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that ☟︎☟︎
ascii_field: but since i refuse to run ntp on the box, i ended up setting date manually when i was given it
ascii_field: i knew the basic fact of. but given as the box displayed correct wall time, did not think of it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i could have told you that
ascii_field: i had the box set to my local time instead of gmt
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i do not yet know the answer to this
ben_vulpes: "Oh, well, I had the contract, and I had to fill it!" And that was all he said.
kakobrekla: >but I can't fake the hashing power it needs to
ascii_field: so i'm nearly certain that the timestamp ~2h epoch time window is the reason for wedged 0.5.x nodes, at this point
ascii_field: i recommend using that
trinque: I tried building stator with arm-linux-gnueabi and it segfaults on the pogo
trinque: ben_vulpes: oh I can look, just poking your caches first
trinque: if not, we'll find out I suppose shortly
ascii_field: but wasn't synced last i saw
ben_vulpes: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html << I don't know why the conservatives with all their hate for welfare programs aren't pro-free-contraception
shinohai: I should be so clever as to come up with ideas like this, to relieve redditors of their monies.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what he meant o.O
mircea_popescu: i always thought ram and cpu are the constraints there
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189283 << should I take them out of original packaging to save space? and jurov send me address whenever, encrypted with my key if you like ☝︎
asciilifeform: atm i don't have access to a usable bitcoin node at all!
asciilifeform: because what i am seeing has every mark of an orchestrated attack against degavinated network, under the smoke cover of the ph0rk aftermath
asciilifeform: and is anyone else experiencing a wedged 0.5.x node of the precise kind i have ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu that box really hasn't sufficient i/o to comfortably house phuctor and node. but i presently haven't any other place to put a node.
pete_dushenski: if not, i'm there
shinohai: I like your name for it better williamdunne
jurov: oh. i was not under impression that i'll be running them all. but 4-5 can be defo arranged
davout: with a bit of luck you'll be at the other end of the classical reddit: "o, i dumped my hdd with over 9000 btc on it and now i'm shoveling through the landfill"
mircea_popescu: i dunno. whatever works. but you'll want a dozen ssds to run a dozen pogos.
jurov: aha ok, thanks you all, send as many as you wish, i can forward them
davout: i did take note, planning on sending them during the week
jurov: yes i immediately pm'd you never got a reply
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189147 << honestly i'm kinda surprised usians even know what cousins ARE. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189139 << ideally tho, dpaste is used for stuff like encrypted sends, in lieu of mail (which i love tbh, who knew irc + gpg obsoletes email!) or else for stuff like deedbotting. or generally, for spurious useless shit. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189129 << i'm not getting a load off him, what, that's what he got a wife for. ☝︎
williamdunne: kakobrekla: I particularly like that it includes their router password
williamdunne: I'll give it a seed
jurov: most of googling leads to a 10M PDF which i'm loathing to touch
jurov: i found one, it's stalling
mats: i just wanna read the code to their tools tbh
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189087 << i have funded znc-otr development with *gasp* my own bitcoins ☝︎
punkman: "I was running bitcoin core version 0.9 which accepted an invalid chain not adhering to the BIP66 protocol changes. This prompted me to upgrade immediately, however the new version is taking the already accepted blocks as already verified."
cazalla: well Yanis Varoufakis fell on his sword, back to valve to make more hats i guess
cazalla: speaking of australia, our dollar is down to 5 year lows.. here's hoping it goes much lower http://i.imgur.com/FRus9l5.png
ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism << witticism, like witty
ben_vulpes: hey i'm an empiricist what do you want
decimation: by the way my stator node is slow as balls, I"m not sure if it's my machine or the node
decimation: yeah I think I'm going to play with phf's blockchain code he wrote in lisp as an education
decimation: one day I will fire up that symbolics emulator
decimation: yeah, I've seen the screenshots for 'zmacs'
ben_vulpes: look i'm just trying to make a mil or 5 over here
decimation: heh. I'm not much of a lisp guy, but the ones I know aren't a fan of emacs lisp
ben_vulpes: "trivial", i'm sure
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years << ugh i met another ozzie today
ben_vulpes: i'm saying that my nose ain't that good yet
decimation: I just didn't trust it by the smell
decimation: heh yeah I looked at the znc config as said 'fuck this shit'
ben_vulpes: i ran both znc and weechat as bouncers for a while
decimation: yeah I get what you mean about more than one emacs
ben_vulpes: can't say as i can tell from your question.
decimation: yeah that does suck I agree
ben_vulpes: sitrep: freshly provisioned server builds boost, bdb and openssl w/out a hitch, barfs on compiling bitcoind because lacking i b'leev integer retardation patch
decimation: ben_vulpes: I switched to erc, have seen the light
ben_vulpes: jesus shit i blink and y'all crap out 400 lines?