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mircea_popescu: it's a black box circuit, i measure all its outputs for known inputs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is i take off that chip and fuzz it.
mircea_popescu: the notion that you can make a) a physical object that b) does something and yet c) is safe in hands of adversary is so fucking lulzy.
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: in that drawing, "modern security features added to render useless in the wrong hands" prolly means 1kb rsa with exponent 35, amirite
mircea_popescu: yeah, they used sheepskins.
mircea_popescu: "plastic" my fucking left foot.
mircea_popescu: do the calcs on it beging anywhere close to a critical core if bored one day. "electron gas" exactly.
mircea_popescu: there, the official free world reconstruction of "fogbank" : B4C foam with a xe-135 filling.
mircea_popescu: yeah, boron not aluminum.
mircea_popescu looks through his periodic table, that great tool of war.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the logs will end up classified now also.
mircea_popescu: and since it's gas-based, prolly heated by means of the gas being a neutron poison. xenon.
mircea_popescu: not in any sense plastic.
mircea_popescu: anyway, sounds like some sort of boron carbide.
mircea_popescu: meh.
mircea_popescu: nttawwt.
mircea_popescu: the grinch.
mircea_popescu: you know what the literary model for this is ?
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: sure, like aquinas' beauty.
mircea_popescu: how familiar you are with making axes vs making aerogels does not establish if making axes or making aerogels is "magic", it just establishes how familiar you are with them.
mircea_popescu: this speaks not of it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, apart because of how familiar you are with either.
mircea_popescu: *thumbsup*
mircea_popescu: soon enough you're going to re-discover post-structuralism at this rate, and end up understanding what i meant by context above.
mircea_popescu: quite very live words.
mircea_popescu: no "dead words" form.
mircea_popescu: then the design is for a magic item
mircea_popescu: but if the "purpose" of the axe (as you imagine it) is unspoken part of the design,
mircea_popescu: the same sort of thought process is involved (for him) when he decides to make the axe at all and when he decides to make singlespoked flanged mace.
mircea_popescu: even your "primitive man won't stray" argument is broken, as you stop midway. a) the point of his following your recipe is that he got off lazy butt ; if he doesn't, he doesn't AT ALL. why would he get off lazy butt JUST AS FAR as you imagine he would and no further ?
mircea_popescu: because everything everyone ever does has some medium involved.
mircea_popescu: not even the fucking axe is "fully technologized"
mircea_popescu: aha! quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: (note how you keep trying to brace yourself against unstated convention, "of course you would understand this is not the item because that'd breach symmetry and we have a convention re symmetry")
mircea_popescu: wasn't clear that part is intentionally meaningful. fine, consider same item with a single such spoke
mircea_popescu: but you communicated axe and i ended up with a flanged mace. http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1306b.jpg << is this your axe ?
mircea_popescu: this sounds like a flanged mace ?
mircea_popescu: tell me ?
mircea_popescu: ok but i said item.
mircea_popescu: name one item that is not in this situation.
mircea_popescu: but this is universally the case.
mircea_popescu: what is this "Failed technologizing" mean ?
mircea_popescu: (think about it - dead words failed to convey it. in spite of everyone's best effort)
mircea_popescu: was it really magic ?
mircea_popescu: but the implications for your position are pretty lulzy, wouldn't you say ?
mircea_popescu: understood and reproducible. at least generally speaking.
mircea_popescu: :)))
mircea_popescu: so this was a technology yes
mircea_popescu: this smacks of so much disinfo... but anyway.
mircea_popescu: ah and they can't make it now ?
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: so what's lost here ? very thin foams are well understood
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: i always thought it to be a sort of snipe pee.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah that's an actual thing ?
mircea_popescu: trinque were you also going to give him deedbot log access ?
mircea_popescu: gotta get the logsearch already.
mircea_popescu: which incident is this ?
mircea_popescu: repeatable is one thing ; but your idea of communicable is murky at best.
mircea_popescu: but that's not what you said :)
mircea_popescu: anwyay, there's not so much difference between what we're saying. "make it repeatable" as you say is part of parcel of "economy of scale" as i say.
mircea_popescu: well, they look the same, should be good enough for our technological needs :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's not much to go on when one believes there's more substance than marketing to that "damascus" claim.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "shit an atom of gold and i'll pay you a dollar" is easy. "shit a brick of gold and i'll pay you a billion" is very fucking hard. etc.
mircea_popescu: to take a simple illustration : make this matchstick exactly 1 mn thick within 0.1% tolerance throughout it's length and i'll pay you a dollar is hard. make this rod of molybdenum 1 mm thick within 0.0000001% tolerance and i'll pay you a billion is easy.
mircea_popescu: and by this measure, a good chunk of what you regard one is really the other and back again.
mircea_popescu: in fact, a useful heuristic to distinguish magic and technology, is that as the stakes increase, magic gets harder and technology easier to do.
mircea_popescu: and the day choir.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the problem with this choir is that it's made of apparent 16 yo girls who spend the night doing all manner of kinky stuff
mircea_popescu: or what, you think he was anti-talented ?
mircea_popescu: recall the example of the esteemed mr shockley, for instance.
mircea_popescu: but if it's actually useful to do, it can't fucking be done worth a shit.
mircea_popescu: then you can say like the butcher that moved into village and introduced hygiene, "i am a better surgeon than the guys in paris"
mircea_popescu: it's not surprisingly easy to do it usefully. it's very easy to do it when no one's doing it and there's a lot of low hanging fruit,
mircea_popescu: it's a technology, right ? by ytour notions of tech, math is the supertech. so then ?
mircea_popescu: but try it prospectively, like a math teacher on a grad program. pick which kids do good work and which waste their lives.
mircea_popescu: see, it's easy enough in retrsopect, to confound historical accident and meaning.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how do you distinguish the theorems for which he WILL BE famous from the ones for which he will not be ?
mircea_popescu: anyway - words have meaning ONLY IN CONTEXT.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but not to all :) to selected gurlz.
mircea_popescu: it is, to a degree and after a fashion, a talent.
mircea_popescu: i use "technology" to describe my numeric head-mathing, though most gurlz can't do it.
mircea_popescu: and why is that ?
mircea_popescu: point in fact, most of what you do is not communicable to "filthy white man". though from what you're saying i take it next you go renting you'll rouse them from their beds to teach lisp ?
mircea_popescu: and who promised you such barrier as "a jungle far away" ?
mircea_popescu: do me a favour and don't go all religious freak on me, absence of proof / proof of absence stew etc.
mircea_popescu: haha no. until then technology MAY be communicable.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: quite so.
mircea_popescu: what proof can you offer ?
mircea_popescu: and how do you know this ? other than, it happening to be your religion.
mircea_popescu: heck, you pick her.
mircea_popescu: sure, she's rando, we just ran into.
mircea_popescu: and eating the same food, so one'd expect molybdenum to equalize. but...
mircea_popescu: oh, you were there for the event, throughout.
mircea_popescu: ie, exact words ?