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phf: The20YearIRCloud: but when the wind dies down (mornings mostly) it's what i would call dignified solitude. mountains, quiet. lots of interesting people living within 100 mile range :>
trinque: bugs I can tune out easily
decimation: I find it really annoying to have muddled bass
phf: The20YearIRCloud: this was on denali highway which is a kind of a wind tunnel nearby from a glacier. most of it is freezing all the way till mid summer (though i don't know, i spent a winter there)
asciilifeform: another device that did not exist in the city where i grew up was: the subwoofer
The20YearIRCloud: I know on the farm it wasn't really ever quiet, there was always something
phf: i lived 8 hours north of anchorage for 6 months or so, working remote. when i get out of the house in the morning my ears would heart from the silence. best 6 months of my life
trinque: decimation: not sure, I've yet to spend time east of them
trinque: I'm thinking getting some land in Washington state might be ideal
asciilifeform: perelman, as i understand, lives off his mother's pension.
asciilifeform: except that i also want to not have to see them ever
The20YearIRCloud: As it stands now ,if I do that here I see tall grass, a trailer, a half plywood house, then a large agricultural facility
The20YearIRCloud: I don't like that, but i REALLY don't like not being able to stand on the back porch and not see anything
The20YearIRCloud: I can't wait to go back to a farm setting
trinque: so naturally I live in one
trinque: I spent time on a large farm as a kid, cannot stand the population density of cities
The20YearIRCloud: But personally, I'd never want to live there
asciilifeform: i grew up in a city
decimation: actually I agree with you, I feel the same way to some degree
asciilifeform: ~i~ want to put as much distance as possible between own arse and these folks.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes but I'm convinced the reason that people live 2 hours away is because of zoning policy
decimation: I would guess the drain is eroding the surrounding soil
asciilifeform: i know where it is, because the city excavated it last year.
asciilifeform: i, for instance, park on top of my house's drain pipe every single day.
The20YearIRCloud: Boy I had a crappy day, one of the renters called me and nothing would drain. Only to find out they've been parking a car on the main drain line. I offered to go out rather than my crew to take care of it, 3hrs later and $400 we've determined that it's all due to someone parking on the drain line and actually pushing it out of the fittings.
decimation: I predict that if the 'hyperloop' actually works (dubious) it would rot the suburbs around megacities
decimation: yeah, I get it, the meatwot is important
asciilifeform: ar, in particular, i liked very much.
asciilifeform: doesn't mean that i dislike those places, or their inhabitants
BingoBoingo: <decimation> nydwracu pointed out how coast elites treat anywhere 100 miles inland in the us as 'foriegn country' << I prefer this arrangement
asciilifeform: pluto is nice too, i hear
asciilifeform: and to everyone i know.
asciilifeform: i bet if some helpful fella gave them a few kg of plastique each, they would put it to good use...
decimation: neither do I. but assuming the pogo isn't a complete bust, someone's gonna have to evaluate the risk
BingoBoingo: I doubt that after today. After the Chicom stockmarket sell embargo and NYSE glitch
asciilifeform: but i don't get to say 'it's low on the list, let's all sleep'
asciilifeform: how the hell would i (or anyone else) know where it is on what list ?
decimation: I would agree that if the pogo needs to be launched into space, it wouldn't be such a bad thing if it knew where it was on the internet topology, especially relative to other bitcoin nodes
BingoBoingo: I guess Bitcoin builds an Argentina, Phillipines, somolia, ISIS backbone and moves geographically
decimation: yes, and I"m sure it's not cheap
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, it does not.
decimation: I would also note that if the pogo clock varies in a systematic way (constant frequency error)
decimation: I'm emphasizing the sun because that's the policy by which time is defined
asciilifeform: i already know how to do that.
asciilifeform: i specified a problem. what is the point of saying 'no, let's solve this other trivial problem'
decimation: I dispuse the 'nothing but pogo would fail'
BingoBoingo: decimation: Realtive to UTC, yes. I live about a minute in a half to UTC's future
asciilifeform: right now i don't know how to help the pogo problem.
asciilifeform: i possibly have a scheme for this. but it won't help pogo, because this is no longer bitcoin
BingoBoingo: <decimation> easily achieved with stopwatch and gnomon << This leads you to my world, where my mechinical autowinding watch is always perfectly accurate because I declare it so
decimation: well, if that were a hard spec I would agree, need txco or ocxo
asciilifeform: in so far as you, i, and every other fella on the net wants to know 'what second' it is 'right now', we are dealing in usgtronics
decimation: I guess I just can't see 'we need to sun' to be a huge limitation on any human endeavour
asciilifeform: and i don't expect everyone to grasp it immediately
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain
asciilifeform: it is fiat if i can't see the sun and rely on the kind to tell me
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The time nerds burn the... Well QuickTrip and CVS were done so I guess WalMart
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << i keep own time, and usg introduces leap second. now what << How often? A minute over a century and ignoring should be fine
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193950 << i keep own time, and usg introduces leap second. now what ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193949 << virtually all of them do, however. whether ~i~ choose to run ntp or not does not change the fact that the bulk of the network (including - though i can only suspect! - the mining bulk) does. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i want every token
solrodar: I'm already pulling the graph into a script to do some filtering
asciilifeform: but not only it, but a complete recipe whereby i can regenerate it.
solrodar: so if I provide the graph in s-expression format with instructions, do you have any specific plan for visualizing it?
asciilifeform: and so i'm not holding my breath waiting for it to get done by anybody.
asciilifeform: i need a usable graph
asciilifeform: i don't need the garbage that comes out of codeviz or those other 3
asciilifeform: i can use that tool too, you know.
solrodar: yeah, I don't know why it doesn't always do that
solrodar: I mean it's the positioning of the boxes which is the problem
asciilifeform: i could draw the picture and explain. but then i will have drawn the picture
solrodar: I don't see how changing that would give you more space
solrodar: I don't follow you
asciilifeform: solrodar: tell you what. i'm not the one who put up the bounty (that was mircea_popescu) but i was the one who asked for the chart. if you can produce a dependency graph in s-expression format, embodying the info in this graph, ~and~ show me how to get same using open source utils, i will say the job is done
solrodar: I don't think any amount of manual arrangement would shrink the overall size that much
trinque: of which I've found nothing but shit
asciilifeform: trinque: i really don't understand why
asciilifeform: i'd be lying if i said yes
shinohai: I need a projector to see it
solrodar: it's not great I know
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2015 21:11:38; ascii_field: my patience for 'help the mouse find the cheese' ran out when i was four
solrodar: I've made an attempt at the call graph you requested
punkman: mircea_popescu: I liked the toilet analogy
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/tTqFfvF.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193749 << this is an important point that i don't think asciilifeform fully digested. replay attacks that rely on block count do not work. actuall superior WORK has to be shown. ☝︎
trinque: I keep wanting to call that "inversion"
trinque: mostly just that; I hear these terms most often used by someone who thinks someone else has been unfair, and ought to be restrained by the state
trinque: I (perhaps incorrectly) take "psychopath" to be a political term, akin to "sociopath"
mircea_popescu: not sure i follow.
trinque: that's more or less what I got from asciilifeform, that he was describing a person which, to put it in idiot's terms "does what makes sense to him"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193627 << this is not unlike inquiring "what makes the sterile woman the waste of chocolate that she is". she only becomes that if you put her in a matronly role. otherwise, i wouldn't want a fertile catwoman. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: But I dunno. Maybe at some point radio hashes happens.
BingoBoingo: I read the thread. closest I have to solutions are either Noping ft. meade off the earth into the sun or Noping out and taking stator to ALpha Centurai
asciilifeform: it's where i describe how bitcoin is not actually decentralized at all, but depends on a thoroughly usgificated network of political clocks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you have a tip re: how to make perfectly synchronized with one another rubidium clocks materialize in the existing $20 pogos, i'm all ears..
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2015 23:03:08; mircea_popescu: "I've noticed certain repeating characteristic in the writing of many members of this forum: they construct grammatically correct sentences but absolutely disregard the underlying semantics: incoming vs. outgoing, local vs. remote, source vs. destination, etc. Here in regards to TCP/IP ports, but I observed that in regards to pretty much any technical issue."
shinohai: i copy-pasta'd xD
funkenstein_: i've never understood the philippino references i see here
ascii_field: thestringpuller: i'm not even certain that the 'ocean of complaint' consists of real people
trinque: ascii_field: reminds me of mircea_popescu's recent comments to the effect of roughly "We've done it! I exist!"