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ag3nt_zer0: I struggle to see how cultural relativism, multiculturalism as manisfest in states, offers any sort of couldn't-do-without-benefit to the western civilizational heritage... It seems to be manifested as a hugely destructive and degenerative force in US regarding everything from lowered national debate standards to laxed educational standards, erosion of free speech, critical theory where it doesn't really belong, poltical
mircea_popescu: then again, i don't give a shit about most people.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yep I have, although afaik he's getting out the silver game
phf: i see what you mean above
phf: seems like if i wanted to find them, i might as well write a bot that would do random walk, then explore, etc. let it run for a day. though that will cost me in pick quality. hmm
phf: so i'm sure there's some kind of logic there that i don't yet understand
phf: i'm thinking i don't know enough about how eulora world works to say much. you mentioned that people are mapping mining locations, but then i tried searching for mushrooms around a location where i found them previously and couldn't find any
mircea_popescu: phf in any case, there is no actual incentive to bot, or i suppose the proper format would be to say everyone can bot just as well.
BingoBoingo: I'm just trying the lazy way before actually hunting down the "correct" versions of Cal3d and crystalspace
phf: it seems like a tricky balance between integrity and fun. i've not thought about this enough, but it seems the more integrity you have in game the more you gain by not actually directly playing the game
mircea_popescu: i guess the melonsized tits are ok, if pressed.
mircea_popescu: haha i thought it was fluffypony 's
CrazyLoafer: i enjoy your writings mircea_popescu :)
mircea_popescu: none of that bullshit bezzle game economics, ima puke if i see another SoJ
phf: right, exactly i was about to say, necessary with the funding model
mircea_popescu: if you read the first node, which is really all that i've bothered with, it even tells you the location on disk
phf: oh i thought that was pulled from the server
phf: i started with help, but there wasn't even a mention of mining, and some of the commands that are in help are not implemented (e.g. /dig)
mircea_popescu: and generally, i expect expansions to be there long before anyone actually reached the point where they can play them
mircea_popescu: there's going to be an update this week adding more, but i doubt anyone's gonna see it this month. maybe. depends how seriously ppl play.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole thing is very much player driven. for instance, out of the ~dozen skills available, afaik players found like .. 4 so far ? i guess 5.
phf: i saw someone's tent so i assume that was possible, but a ship
phf: it's amusing, old school. reminds me of early 3d rpgs. i didn't realize how small the island is though. needs more scenery
phf: i had no time to, i was enjoying the scenery :)
phf: well, that was my first eulora drama, came back to find my future fortune literally crumble to little bits o' nothing. tracked the coordinates, explored.. nothing. literally feels like i just frantically dug a bunch of earth looking for wooly mushrooms that are no longer there
mircea_popescu: actually... i see it.
danielpbarron: i'll buy your keys+enumerations
phf: i will neither confirm nor deny it until i understand the implications :>
mod6: i'll tackle that tomorrow i think.
mod6: yeah, i thought about that first actually. but gotta recompile since bins are striped
mod6: ok, i was just gonna do a quick `xxd <file> | less` and look at 'em side by side.
mod6: ah, yeah... hm. I believe when I went to sign all the patches from the last release, I had to pull the patches, and then sign them as if I had wrote them myself for them to be accepted.
asciilifeform: possibly i misremember.
mod6: and I'll find a new ascii art instead of the jolly roger ;)
asciilifeform: i recall that last we spoke of this, folks signed and noticed that jurov's patch sig widget didn't eat them correctly
mod6: I'll make an effort this week to sign the patches I've read and understand, even if still experimental at this time.
trinque: I'm off; gnite gents
mod6: it does help. i often have to come back to it like a day later and re-read my own stuff for the 9th time.
asciilifeform: i recommend this habit.
asciilifeform: i also have a habit, of compulsively re-reading own patches
asciilifeform: i advocate - resistance.
trinque: sure, I wasn't saying that
trinque: for no better reason than I've required it on my end and it cut spam by 100x
asciilifeform: or even 'i read this and it made no fucking sense and wtf'
asciilifeform: 'i read this, grasped it'
trinque: I do read the mailing list, yes
trinque: I mean that it indelibly marks the text in question with the involvement of the signers
asciilifeform: trust & fuzzies is great, but i'd really like folks to start reading the patches
mod6: eh, that was poorly worded. I think you all understand my meaning.
mod6: i thought so too. and it's a credit to my trust of asciilifeform that I verify his signature, and we have a L1 trust between us.
mod6: <+trinque> I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 << in that it would have been 1/2 of the foundation's official seal?
trinque: I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6
mod6: I'll give this some further thought going forward. I don't wanna hold off on pulling the trigger on this stuff if all I need is simple skull & cross bones.
mod6: I've tested it, trinque has tested it, but we need a third party to independantly verify so I know what I'm publishing there is as correct as it can be.
mod6: One of the resasons that I haven't even posted the gentoo build guide to the list either.
mod6: I see, we just have a bit different view of the thing. I only wanna send stuff in that I can pretty much stand behind.
mod6: lol, guess I just didn't wanna clutter up the turdomatic or confuse anyone either.
mod6: I emboss cryptographically, stating that I've read, comprehended, approved and would apply in my own battlestation.
mod6: <@asciilifeform> doesn't imply endorsement << ok. i was just under the impression that's excatly what it meant.
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: yes I found that... thx
asciilifeform: a signature from a reasonably literate wot face, 'i read this and it made sense', is worth something.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 i dun particularly care one way or the other. the discussion's in teh logs which atm can't be searched it seems.
mod6: I only stamp approval at release time.
mircea_popescu: <mod6> I have created a simple build script << you may consider signing some of the things you pull
mod6: <@asciilifeform> might be interesting << i have not, as of yet.
mod6: statically built. but I recall going through this in march how we needed that in there... just maybe overly paranoid.
mod6: every time i've built the 'stator' before, the output binary was fine.
mod6: well, actually, I didn't /have/ to at all.
cazalla: i think the tim swanson story more than makes up for it ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: decimation: thanks. guess I should make that a habit before posting here...
ag3nt_zer0: trivial perhaps, and not to make fun of him, but I thought it was pretty funny...
ag3nt_zer0: at the time I was all zigzagged about Trilema and so I asked him if he had heard of it... he scanned the files that the eye accesses when it looks down/right and there was a spark... he said "what's that?"... I said "dunno, run by this guy Mircea something or other"... he said "oh, that guy doesnt like me"... later he asked for my number and when he pulled out his phone I saw his name was Tim Swanson
ag3nt_zer0: several months back I was at the plug and play bitcoin meetup... Nathaniel Popper was there talking about his book... anyway, after the talk I was standing in line to ask him to clarify something when this familiar-looking chap gets in line behind me. asks me who what etc...
mod6: <@asciilifeform> modified how ? << with stator, I needed to add back in 'no-shared', according to http://wiki.openssl.org/index.php/Compilation_and_Installation this is required for us (probably). And I also needed to modify your line `cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;` to `cd bitcoin/src;`. All of the things are in the build log, I tried not to leave anything out.
decimation: is on' ascii's node I think
mod6: This is all leading up to a new "patching guide" that I'm working on. Which is basically finished, save the fact I've yet to decide which direction to go on the build script. On one hand, I really love how simple and clean stator.sh is, but with auto.sh, I like how it automatically pulls the archives for you and creates the directories. etc.
asciilifeform: ^ just to be clear re: above, my node is not, as far as i can tell, wedged!
mod6: I have created a simple build script that will pull all of the patches, verify them, apply the patches at the top of the file. Along with anything else that was required.
cazalla: decimation, they had a bus for the high school i attended and when i got sent to naughty boy school i was given a train ticket which provide free travel (which was self defeating in that i no longer had to jump the train but could now ride legit for free lol)
mod6: mircea_popescu: it appears to me that they are. I have two build logs (one for with auto.sh and one with stator.sh). They can be found:
asciilifeform: hasn't been stuck once since i moved the clock, afaik
asciilifeform: 'I know, I know. It's gauche to even bring this kind of stuff up. It's not part of our consensus reality. It's not part of our consensus history. When it comes to actual history, however,...'
cazalla: taking the bus to school such a strange concept.. i use to ride my bmx doing bunny hops and all sorts along the way
trinque: cazalla: heh I got bussed as a white kid to the shittier public school back in the day for the same reason
cazalla: decimation, i read the other day this Fair Housing update will result in blacks being bussed in to the rich white liberal areas.. btw Obama looking old as fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lSLIhXrs1Y
mircea_popescu: and ftr i am naught impressed with this "got bugsprayed" bs.
decimation: yeah I think that's how it works
trinque: hell no I don't
trinque: do you think I have any connections?
trinque: my family goes back to a big italian clan that moved over in I think the 30s or so
decimation: absolutely. I've mentioned the german community that used to exist, for instance
BingoBoingo: I don't know? Only one way to find out
punkman: ok turdatron must hate me, seems it even ate last email which I sent with "swaks"
asciilifeform: i advise all folk in usa with a spare twenty to get that box spoken of earlier
trinque: meh, I leave windows open all night on the ground floor
mircea_popescu: i scarcely bothered.
trinque: I knew and drank with everybody I lived in an apt building with in tx
cazalla: trinque, i talk to my neighbour over the back but i couldn't tell you who else lives in this street.. growing up it was rare not to know
mircea_popescu: i walked by at least 1k people today.
trinque: I still do it, because fuck them.