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ben_vulpes: this is why i don't talk to programmers i don't know about programming.
gabriel_laddel: me: "lisp makes meta-programming trivial" him: "if it did they'd rule the world already, and therefore I don't have to consider your argument"
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I met the guy who wrote that. Ugh.
decimation: actually I did go through the slides on that stroustrup talk
trinque: decimation: yes, I did once choose couchdb when I was 22
asciilifeform: i can usually tell from talking to a fella who programs - for three minutes - whether he's 'seen the elephant'
trinque: so now I'm going to grow to like this, and then I'm going to be stuck later wondering why something I've done is slow
trinque: I've done horrible things working with trees in SQL
trinque: I get a tree, in a database!
trinque: asciilifeform: hm I already see your point, maybe, re: data structures
asciilifeform: i have the paper
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i may yet end up with a set because of this reason.
ben_vulpes: such as i have not seen in my career to date.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I have not
ben_vulpes: i am however considering a conversion
trinque: I have an inkling of being able to do the same thing in lisp, but you know, grew up in the congo, working on it
trinque: asciilifeform: reasoning with sets and their relationships is why I use the db heavily in work
trinque: I'll admit I got a bit uncomfortable seeing a keyvalue table
mircea_popescu: and to round off that joke, i guess : http://41.media.tumblr.com/b9ef786cc8939eb428859b4018f9eade/tumblr_n1q1hy0e411syt00ao1_1280.jpg
trinque: this is an experiment to see whether I can transplant my standard patterns of db use to lisp
trinque: yeah, I expect this
trinque: ben_vulpes: took some very minimal notes, may share when I feel like I know what I'm doing
mircea_popescu: "well... uhh... i'd never... you know we're behind on the mortgage and that nsa check is late..."
mircea_popescu: old man schmuckssen calls over his wife. "honey, there's an arab prince at the door, wants to fuck you silly for a million bucks. what should i say to him ?"
mircea_popescu: "daddy, daddy, i heard these mean kids use two unknown words. theory and practice. do you know what is the difference ?"
asciilifeform: (what i meant earlier was that tx only needs to get to the destination - miner. if it cannot get there cheaply and easily, it will get there expensively and painfully. but it will get there.)
mircea_popescu: did i ever recount the joke about practice and theory ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it. sorta like i asked my father, as a small boy, if furniture could speak. answer 'yes, in principle'
mircea_popescu: granted, i claim no ownersheep.
mircea_popescu: PeterL you know your thinking is a nearly exact restatement of what i said last week ?
PeterL: So I've been thinking about the mempool: There should be a size limit set in the config for mempool, along with the minFee. Each txn gets scored based on age of coins, amount in txn, size of txn, and fee, etc, once the size limit is reached if a txn does not meet the lowest ranking it is ignored, if it does then the lowest ranked txn is ejected to make space, and every once in a while the oldest and highest ranking txns in the mempool are rebroa
asciilifeform: and in ro, i presume, means something other ?
decimation: yeah hawaii has the best sushi I've eaten
decimation: they sell them as 'brisling sardines' but they are sprat - I am certain of this
ben_vulpes: and i snorkeling!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm still snarfing up the log
trinque: decimation: I'll eat it
asciilifeform: decimation: i've yet to locate a supplier for unsmoked
ben_vulpes: i think everyone can smell your perma-lsd-trip.
decimation: 'riga' is definitely smokey, I like it, but 'king oskar' is good too (unsmoked)
asciilifeform: decimation reminds me, i gotta resprat
decimation: asciilifeform: when buying from the german baker, I commented how my coworkers mock my sprat eating habits. her reply "always with the chicken this, chicken that"
ben_vulpes: trinque: i think he actually has employees
asciilifeform: hey i started before you folks got hot & bothered
asciilifeform: this is probably where i confess that ~my~ gossipd is nearly done...
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 42 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:52:11; ben_vulpes: oh get real asciilifeform google facebook and amazon were all chasing my dumb ass at one point and i never had good grades and definitely never finished kawledge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why space war is inevitable. i see no problem shooting everything else out of orbit to fart my own
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i will build the garbage scows.
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:49:30; mircea_popescu: before i die i'm going to be farting satellites.
mircea_popescu: i don't use gmail and don't have a spam problem. but hey.
ben_vulpes: i use the gmail application.
ben_vulpes: i know ios mail is bad.
decimation: asciilifeform: tonight for dinner I had 'riga' sprat and rye bread (berliner broet)
mircea_popescu: actually briefcase was yahoo i guess, the "media company"
ben_vulpes: oh get real asciilifeform google facebook and amazon were all chasing my dumb ass at one point and i never had good grades and definitely never finished kawledge ☟︎
trinque: I thought they only killed ones they purchased
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 00:30:21; mircea_popescu: anwyay, the notion that google hires derps with degrees is news to me. i thought nobody got to finish his degree because hired in 3rd year.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206513 << i didn't pour that spec in concrete. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i thought up an http-auth thing recently: http request headers containing a signed hash of one of the last 2 blocks
mircea_popescu: before i die i'm going to be farting satellites. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: decimation mp's law! when i was born, the first satellite had just cost a fortune. by the time i had my first threesome, they were doing consumer phone via satellite. as i made my self billion, fucing romania launched a satellite on a shoestring budget.
decimation: I tried that, didn't work on 10.6.8
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
ben_vulpes: i suppose that i'm pretty dumb for just downloading the source and expecting that i'll be able to compile it, huh?
decimation: ben_vulpes: I tried to compile the 1.55.0 boost on macports and it didn't work
trinque: I really don't think not having a b-a satellite network should preclude getting started on gossipd
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah I've used it for years now
decimation: ben_vulpes: homebrew seemed lame, but I haven't used it much
mircea_popescu: not as far as i see it.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost compiles fine with macports << i'm a homebrew dood. perhaps this is wrong?
mircea_popescu: go ahead, i deeply care.
mircea_popescu: i dun see how they do anything. either they maintain compliance with tcp/ip spec as is, in which case they do nothing
decimation: I doubt comcast will peer directly
decimation: but how do I plug into this network?
decimation: yeah I get it
trinque: barfed on berkdb so I skipped it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206433 << you're not gonna have "hdtv" on your thing. not that i mind. i wish they stopped making movies over 700mb. you REALLY do not need more than that for an hour of whatever ☝︎
decimation: all of the testing amounts to 'unofficial iq tests', as far as I can tell
mircea_popescu: anwyay, the notion that google hires derps with degrees is news to me. i thought nobody got to finish his degree because hired in 3rd year. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, all this is (as you prolly expect it from shit i do) very much experimental. trying to actually make a site where users can safely use their ips.
mircea_popescu: well that makes sense then. i was impressed originally.
mircea_popescu: i think they spent a coupla million real dollars on that gateway
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:09:25; decimation: also, I don't know what the 'web 2.0' thing he posted a picture of is? is that some kind of dns control panel?
mircea_popescu: ("you don't love me anymore" "sure i do" "prove it" "fuck you.")
mircea_popescu: i don't recall any sort of voting being held on when to attack, soviet style.
mod6: don't challenge me to a spelling contest, i'll lose.
mod6: yeah. well, i think i'll just prune by hand if I do at all. like i was saying earlier, im a bit paranoid now that some script might later accidentially remove the dirs if they're rendered empty.
decimation: I suspect you are gonna need a shell script, like ascii suggested.
mod6: there's a bunch of lines that reference it actually, and no, i was hoping to get rid of these barnacles without having to change other files.
decimation: I was thinking about this for awhile today, and about what would have happened if hitler had stopped with poland and consolidated power
mod6: i've tried this thing 48 ways from sunday. context diff, unified, truncated files, removed files with/without -E smh
ben_vulpes: i am clearly not elite enough to set my own priorities, otherwise i'd be down on the beach with a margarita and my laptop
ben_vulpes: phf later i'll want to pick your brain about compiling boost under clang/os x
ben_vulpes: i've been able to get on the computer for maybe 10 minutes max at a stretch over the past few days, or i'd take a crack at it myself and figure it out
mod6: <+mod6> so... yah, a bash script or removal by hand. would be fine i'd think. but now i gotta test it a bit harder. if we leave empty directories in there, im worred that patch might come along at a later time and be helpful again, removing those object output diretories. << so if i do remove them by hand, have to ensure that these empty dirs wont get nuked later on accident
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 18:34:53; mod6: but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke.
mod6: <+punkman> mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. << I dunno why patch was needed for this, just remove them manually in next release << yeah, i mentioned that after the fact lastnight. but was discussed here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206370 << this makes sense. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i do not know how long they have been there, but would dare to guess that it is since the flood a few yrs ago
punkman: I have never seen any such thing in europe, perhaps they hide them