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asciilifeform: if loosely -- continuation of parallel v-lineages could make sense. if tightly -- marry'em.
asciilifeform: i'll add only that imho it matters just how strongly-coupled your outer proggy is with the library
asciilifeform: it is exceedingly difficult to revise this kind of thing at a later time.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform prefers the latter. but this is a fundamental sort of decision, i'd ask mircea_popescu , it's his proggy
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu expressed a strong preference for the ~former~ approach, at one point
asciilifeform: the other is to preserve the two lineages as separate, but to link your item against e.g. mpi.a , and to insert the latter's hash into your vtree, to proclaim the linkage -- as i did with the binariola schematic jpegs in FG genesis.
asciilifeform: so in that case it is a linear parent ( grandparent etc ) of your item.
asciilifeform: there are fundamentally 2 ways to go about using a vtronic item as a component in another. one is to subsume it into your own
diana_coman: no, separate parts that eucrypt uses
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the contemplated example, are eucrypt/mpi and eucrypt/serpent plug-in alternatives for each other ?
diana_coman: hm, I thought I need a/mpi b/mpi ; can I have ..what, a/mpi and b/eucrypt/mpi?
asciilifeform: that part isn't puzzling, it's a straight patch on top of second_cut
mircea_popescu: so how do i patch mpi to become eucrypt/mpi ?
asciilifeform: you are using gcc for a linker, neh. it takes arbitrary paths ( observe how i did it in ffa ch.1, it was deliberately illustrative )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: let's carefully specify the question: what means 'internal'
diana_coman: nesis of eucrypt itself and one the genesis of mpi)
diana_coman: is there some documented process re how to create with V basically a new project that will contain as *internal* components derivations of existing projects? for example: eucrypt will have inside an mpi component; as seen earlier, I can patch mpi directly, but then how do I include the result in a higher structure? can I even do it while preserving the links? (I guess it would mean that resulting project has effectively 2 roots: one the ge
mircea_popescu: which is what the bleaters are importing into bitcoin : their own WoWoW outlook. soon bitcoin "marketcap" will exceed all extant assets. because it has to. because they;'re idiots.
mircea_popescu: all you can get is the whole world, and it costs ever less btc, seeing how the "rate" has to also account for everyone's dreams.
mircea_popescu: you can't get TWO because there... aren't... two.
mircea_popescu: "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc.
mircea_popescu: you can never liquidate it, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT WHAT FOR.
mircea_popescu: you keep thinking in these fiat-anchored terms, as fucking if that's how it worked.
asciilifeform: at some point 'nonlinear' effect begins : consider the difficulty of liquidating a coupla kg of au ( for nonspecialist. ) or for that matter, pu.
asciilifeform: phunphakt, Officially Verboten to leave usaschwitz with more than 10k usd 'gangster roll'. so today to carry 1btc's worth of green candywrapper requires arse capsule or similar.
asciilifeform: spongiencephalopathy perhaps changed this...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik bleat-scrying is not part of veterinarian training.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5
asciilifeform: i suppose expert veterinarian might be able to distinguish 'bleats because indigestion' from 'bleats because inside is half-eaten-up by worms'. but asciilifeform cannot.
mircea_popescu: we're discussing the bleating of sheep here, what fucking truth.
mircea_popescu: there can never be any truth in a statement made by the wotless.
asciilifeform: but how much truth is there in the statement ? picture if mircea_popescu were to drink a defective batch of rum, and goes with 10k btc to a gox. do you for a moment think that they will come up with 1.5e8 usd that day, to give for it ?
mircea_popescu: as far as wot is concerned, exactly like you say, div0, what the fuck do we care. we knew they're worthless going in.
mircea_popescu: as far as the puppy is concerned -- deeper bow.
mircea_popescu: note that your puppy thinking bringing you a dead weasel is 10x more useful than bringing you your newspaper ; even if your own estimation might diverge.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, as far as the stater is concerned, yes.
mircea_popescu: it is a statement on the value of the schmuck.
mircea_popescu: when some schmuck writes on his employment application "salary sought - $50", this is not a statement on the value of the dollar.
asciilifeform: i'ma ask a different q : what is the ordering function for these statements ? do 4 zeroes worth of 'we are worthless' actually represent a lower bow than 3 ?
mircea_popescu: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BITCOIN. the "bitcoin price" is a statement of the worthless herd as to its own perceived worthlessness. bitcoin dun enter into it.
mircea_popescu: about 5 passes of this "it has nothing to do with bitcoin" and it still didn't take or what are we doing here ?
asciilifeform: it can work as a humiliator, just as electron can carry out useful work; but just as we do not reference electron's exact position , it is mistake to reference 'worth of bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think i follow. come again ?
mircea_popescu: the funny thing being that it's EXACTLY how everthing else works. you didn't http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ at 15 yo because "school" ? lol. YOU LOST.
asciilifeform: whether it works as a humiliator, or spiked club, or tension wrench, is orthogonal question
asciilifeform: it's a propagating error, like div0, to include it in a logical chain is fatal, regardless of how correct the rest
mircea_popescu: why ? some girls had the sense to peg it, some girls are still waiting. it's the perfect nonperson humiliator, this. "if i hold out my tits will be worth more" "ahahahaha, really ?"
mircea_popescu: that's all it is. voluntary self-denial on the part of the worthless.
asciilifeform: we dun have a change.org ticker here..
mircea_popescu: "i think 2 bitcents should buy more than just my daughter. like 50x more."
asciilifeform: why to even bother having the ticker, then
mircea_popescu: "exchange rate" dun enter into this. think of it as a petition on change.org signed by everyone in the herd.
mircea_popescu: that's all it is : how little the poor think their shit's worth.
mircea_popescu: they call it "bitcoin price", except it's obviously the dollar price.
mircea_popescu: the lazy stupid poor "people themselves" banded together to produce a joint report as to how worthless they think everything about them is, in bitcoin terms.
mircea_popescu: consider it this way : the lazy dumb fat women banded together to produce a joint report as to what they think things should be like. they call it "jezbel" or w/e. it keeps changing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever measure the voltage of a dead watch battery ?
asciilifeform still has no real notion of how, if at all, gox tickers relate to real life
asciilifeform wonders occasionally re the ultimate pressure limit of the reactor. e.g. a sha256 collision is not cheap, but not infinitely expensive either.
mircea_popescu: "there's a difference between the sort of people that are surprised by what happens and the sort of people that are surprised by when it does."
mircea_popescu: wow, that's a hell of a byline.
BingoBoingo: Your surprise was just timing, esr's surprise was the wealth
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu dun even use money for anyffing, he simply telekinesiates objects into existence...
mircea_popescu: worked better for me than "surprise : wealth" worked for ers.
mircea_popescu: heh. remember years ago when bitcoin made 1k and it made me a dollar-billionaire in the process ?
a111: Logged on 2015-08-25 18:09 asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of the famous sovderpitude re: phone tap installation
diana_coman: the normal normality as opposed to abnormal normality or what
asciilifeform: [Global Notice] Sorry for the disruption to services there folk. "Normality" should return shortly. << lol!
asciilifeform noticed the 'TOKYO'
mircea_popescu: (note the TOKYO - JAPAN - April 04, 2013 bit)
mircea_popescu: is fatso's retirement consist of community service in the shape of poorly worded communique's led in by TOKYO (AP) ? because this idiocy smacks very much of same source as item discussed in say http://trilema.com/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/
asciilifeform: days before clitler was due to fart ? i have nfi what
asciilifeform: ^ with the oblig 'millionzofdollarz'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gox world, 'TOKYO (AP) — A bitcoin mining company in Slovenia has been hacked for the possible theft of tens of millions of dollars, just days before the virtual currency, which hit a record above $15,000 on Thursday, is due to start trading on major U.S. exchanges. ... address referred to by NiceHash users indicates that about 4,700 bitcoins had been stolen'
mircea_popescu: obviously, something other than insta-bitchslap for opening mouth.
mircea_popescu: the idea is that if pantsuit makes a paper dolly of "men" that'll do something irl.
asciilifeform: in this case i can't even tell what the spamola-angle is supposed to be
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
mircea_popescu: and in other pointless bullshit : https://goodmenproject.com/ ie "the conversation no one is having [any of]" happening inexplicably on the IAB website template. i'm guessing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 also does their checkout, legal &c, coincidentally. ☝︎
diana_coman: right; cleaned it again fully; put back in the readme file; made the structure a/mpi and b/mpi; can finally say that patch presses fine with both vtrons
asciilifeform: this is a major 'nope', all extant vtrons i expect will choke on this alone.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 14:09 mircea_popescu: cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing.
diana_coman: I do get it, thanks; will try again and report
asciilifeform: same everywhere. think about it.
asciilifeform: if there isn't 'mpi' in each -- your patch is off
diana_coman: but apparently I should have done it on a containing mpi containing the code
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that is what I did
diana_coman goes to try again
asciilifeform: diff/patch is not insensitive to directory structure, or it could not handle dirs at all. in original we have 'a/mpi/bin/README', in yours there is instead 'a/bin/README'.
asciilifeform: you stripped the dir 'mpi' when you made your diff
diana_coman: not in any way a point of the patch
diana_coman: will try without that readme file change anyway as that's more of an artefact of having run make clean (which deleted it too)
mircea_popescu: cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the hardest thing when reforming bad workflow is to... actually reform anything.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, tbh I lost count; more like delete and create whole thing again, on the verge of making bash scripts for each project anyway
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you should prolly have version numbers on these by now. testpatch-16
asciilifeform: i'ma go to tea and look.
asciilifeform: ok breathe, count 10, post tar.
diana_coman: this is new patch on top , yes
asciilifeform: diana_coman: tar it up plox, and post, looks very much like you have a mistake on your end. mod6 was able to press last night.