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asciilifeform: well in usa, matters even moar simple , dun even need to read that the fella with the weightier bank balance is 'innocent' and the 1 with the lighter -- 'liable', ~100% of the time
mp_en_viaje: notwithstanding its their fucking safe for the express purpose etcetera.
mp_en_viaje: if fire in hotel burns down my stashes of euros in the hotel safe, they're not liable.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you have to read more commercial contracts.
mp_en_viaje: no argument, if you know all the tricks of the trade six months down the road yo ucan sit down to a juicy aged angus steak out of their money.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: to picture for a moment that the action were in 'civilized' rather than orcistani court -- if warehouse springs leak, and rain pours through it for week, and five customer's worth of wheat dissolves, i expect > 'month' would be owed.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If I planned to drink to death, I wouldn't have done a moral inventory last night.
mp_en_viaje: at his point you have a civil judgement worth what was it, TWO nights hotel stay, and whatever legal fees. and now have to get it fulfilled, will need to find an executor or w/e, sheriff.
mp_en_viaje: "your honor, we rented a fucktoy" "when ?" "two years ago" "and ?" "last month it sprung a leak" turns to other party, "what do you have to say ?" "fuck them" turns back to you "okay... and what do you want ?" "we want money" "how's last month's sound ?" "umm" "so ordered"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it isn't that asciilifeform is convinced 'oh we'll win a suit and roll in dough' but that i haven't other constructive idea. ( to tell BingoBoingo 'hey get 2wks head start on rabbits and drinking to death' imho not constructive. )
mp_en_viaje: i entirely see no problem with you continuiong on this course, as a training exercise, for you. i do not have the expectation it will make money, your case is not actually that strong.
BingoBoingo: Based on the new enclosed aisle, I suspect there is the possibility there aren't entirely bankrupt. They may be ineptly pivoting to dumb provision of space for local heathen caches.
mp_en_viaje: i expect the roadmap asciilifeform paints (sue in uy, win, actually get paid, use proceeds to produce euro isp) is unlikely, if nothing else then because dockets routinely run multi-month in civil court, appeals are common, expense while not maxint also not trivial, and failure to pay civil judgements in corporate world a regular occurence.
mp_en_viaje: nothing wrong with that.
BingoBoingo: The courts here do handle evictions far more quickly than across the river. Other than the former tax shelter reasons Argentines prefer property ownership in Uruguay because the courts do move (speed may vary when a Soviet monopoly is involved). Following some sit downs I hope to have a better picture on the chance to recover something, but I do want redundancy here. I've learned at least that much.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:21:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941439 << i... i jsut can't even. this thing became painful to read.
mp_en_viaje: the majority of the leverage there was the public shaming ; if ~bankrupt that's not much leverage.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 15:07:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941430 << i think your ideas as to how "roman law" systems work in ex spanish colonies are ... a little off kilter.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:57:58 asciilifeform: it won't surprise me if turns out that latech is actually bankrupt.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941420 << well, the whole personel turnover thing is rather characteristic of imploded tech co, yes.
BingoBoingo: Their problems seem to go beyond their ability to serve us.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:53:03 asciilifeform: fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they.
BingoBoingo: ISPddOs aside, Latecho does not appear to be anywhere near as healthy as they were when I arrived. The sales manager was on airconditioner duty. I strongly suspect the Freezone conversation happened through the intercom because they didn't want to reveal their falta de recursos humanos.
mp_en_viaje: in principle, there's strictly no defense from "partner sold out to sysco, new "careerwoman" dumb cunt installed in charge of it wrecked it". hapened to hp, can happen to you.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 18:05:45 mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a terrible deal.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941608 << I am convinced burning it down will do nothing other than incur more costs.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 17:21:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941537 << I don't know about lifetime, but some sort of produtive, structured penance is in order. I do feel much less despondent after making two adult age males go pale.
BingoBoingo: This datacenter mission I did get a chance to talk to Oscar alone. He was more informative without Maxi present. Pressed on whether Joaquim and other named folks I was acustomed to dealing with were still employed by Latecho he responded in the negative. Oscar also showed me his whatsapp conversations where he was begging with upstream folks. This supports the morning's hypothesis Latecho recently decerebrated while installing a bunch
BingoBoingo: asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 18:11:00 mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941621 << I will be sitting down with them tomorrow. I've been knocking doors to see if there's a hungrier, more aggressive model.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Bi
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941400 << top keks of all time, go to uruguay to "non-nato", end up plugged into ~equiv of sysco.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:14:48 lobbes: in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941361 << night time spider byte ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:09:47 lobbes: not sure if you want to wait for whole thing to be done to sit it down, or will want to deploy piecemeal as well
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941360 << i ain't got the resoruces to multi-derp this. one shot, pass or fail, and ideally pass.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, alternatively you could you know, just take a chill pill, keep talking like normal.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: sitting still also not 'safe to do'
mp_en_viaje: you told him to do three things (incomprehensible, i thought he was the manager) none of which he can safely do or are liable to help anything if done.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is operating already outta the green on his tachometer and perhaps oughta stfu, unless mp_en_viaje or BB have specific qs today.
mp_en_viaje: i was discussing your output, not that.
asciilifeform: latech was eating the lion's share of piz operating cost. and delivering, as turned out, pipe made of wet tissue. finally said tissue dissolves. BingoBoingo goes on careful fact-finding, finds monkeys making monkey noises re 'wait a month, maybe we'll fix' . can call comedy, tragicomedy, whichever.
mp_en_viaje: what is this, a comedy show ?
mp_en_viaje: the former, i read something about maxint, something about flamethrower, then something about ~stalking some randos that don't even know you...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: was the point strictly that asciilifeform's output to BB, low snr , and needlessly stresses crew ? or that he oughta be doing something else than where i sent him ? or both ? neither ?
mp_en_viaje: nor can anyone else log into trilema to upload pics, for that matter.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, wait, she's the nicer one of us ?!
mp_en_viaje: yes, it's bad that pizarro-upstream link is via email through indian call center. but the solution to this bad is not "afterwards, send someone to manager's home, in a clown car". the solution is in the past : should've made better contacts.
asciilifeform: woah, mp_en_viaje concerned with stress of crew ?!!! ~nao~ i must ask, mp_en_viaje are you mp_en_viaje right nao or is hanbot filling in at console ( check out, also forgot that phuctor lived in dulap ? ) plox to fess up!111
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-06 08:53:05 mp_en_viaje: Oh sure, you can wear a condom or cum in her mouth, as long as she doesn’t poke a fuckin’ hole in that bitch or spit the contents out through a fucking Krazy Straw, directly into her own gash. She can even be on birth control, if she fuckin’ takes it. She could give you a hand job in a parking lot behind a convenience store on a warm sunny day, just make sure to cut off her fucking hand once she’s done. As far
mp_en_viaje: understand something : the very absurdist style of unbounded exaggeration currently fashionable is quite unhelpful in crisis situations. all it practically does is stress out the crew.
asciilifeform: iirc BB actually tried at onset, found his lang skill insufficient at that juncture.
mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset.
asciilifeform: Bingo seems to be in agreement w/ asciilifeform's direction, 'fight way out of encirclement while you still have ammo'
mp_en_viaje: very similar to getting laid : if you couldn't make any female friends in general, how likely is it you'll make some while holding your erection ?
asciilifeform: latech wrecked piz. (i find it difficult to picture that will be 'un-wrecked') . what would mp_en_viaje do in such case ? there's a clearly identifiable party in breach of (even orcish) contract .
mp_en_viaje: i'm not against his trying, but i am encouraging you to moderate your expectations. if he couldn't find legal support when he didn't need it, how likely is it he'll find it now ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform fwiw is following the 'what learned from mp_en_viaje' notebook.
mp_en_viaje: thats how this works.
mp_en_viaje: i seem to remember lawyer was on the original list of requisites he didn't get, back in the day. understand how this works : either you have ~from before~, or you... well, do not use.
asciilifeform: well so far we're a reseller of sandwich and in latest incoming crate they're fulla maggots.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i am at no juncture proposing that you shouldn't get what you paid for. i am however disputing the somewhat ill considered view whereby the reasonable escalation for your sandwich coming out wrong is calling the cops.
asciilifeform: well so far sent him to get barrister (sumthing that really oughta have been done aeons ago) rather than petrol.
mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a terrible deal.
asciilifeform: the passenger may not have expectation to 'pot roast', but imho is justified in expectation of not flying from window.
asciilifeform: we're 1 rack, of perhaps 20 that had any occupants. so equiv. to passenger on a bus where 20 riders. nevertheless if driver of bus throws a paying passenger from window, this is to be paid for, notwithstanding that he is only 1 of 20 and paid only 1/20th of what was in the till.
mp_en_viaje: that has no bearing on how... well... they'd better fucking run their affairs such that they don't need to, either.
mp_en_viaje: so, to circle back to it : it is conceivable that management may not immediately drop anything and cook a pot roast for you at their family home.
asciilifeform: i haven't tried the germanies and etc. but know the prices here.
mp_en_viaje: not that it should be or anything. but hysteria self-lathering also doesn't help anything, how shall i put this, tryna walk the line here.
mp_en_viaje: but be all that as it may -- while certainly a respectable sum, by any measure, maxint it is not.
mp_en_viaje: well, i don't sleep with the womenz, for one thing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje mentioned 2 pets , but some of the illustrations seem to include a 3rd, so will have to suppose used 3 rms.
asciilifeform loaded, sees 379 e / night for the max highend item .
asciilifeform: but i entirely believe that it is possible
asciilifeform: hrm seems to redir to antispam
mp_en_viaje: now divide the slut herd by two, add one for me, multiply result by whatever eur:usd is these days and... there you go.
asciilifeform: ( didja rent entire hotel ?! rather than room ? )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 12:16:36 asciilifeform: or wat, we're paying $maxint, and this doesn't come with a fucking door to bang on?!
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941343 << not to bring a crass hickup to the choir here, but iirc you were paying a month about what my hotel costs / night ? it's not precisely maxint, not that i'm proposing anyone merits no value for money or anything like that.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: spinner is substantially slower than the firehose from where cometh. but yes normally one does headers-only.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, afaik usually set to headers only, and yeah generally not ssd but spinners set for it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was in fact 'ready to fire' on dulap , but not kept running eternally (a tcpdump of ERRYTHING slows box to a crawl and will eat yer ssd in ~week)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 12:15:33 asciilifeform: find where. and go there. holyfuq.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941342 << umm... not usually how this works, is it.
mp_en_viaje: so... yeah, whatever, if you operate your own ip space you should always have the damned thing at the ready.
mp_en_viaje: well, here's the secret : usually 0-ips aren't allocated, because... umm... people run loggers and things on those.
asciilifeform: ( cuz asciilifeform's torture room, unlike evidently uruguay, is set up for pcap etc )
asciilifeform: baitbot is a working logger btw (on the latest patch). just aint of any practical use, it's a fire magnet is all.
mp_en_viaje: O LOOK MARGE!!! THEMS BYTES!!!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've been tryin' to get mine in that ddos hopper since fri
asciilifeform: asciilifeform operates exactly 1 machine at piz, dulap, under banner of snsa, since the asciilifeform expedition flight when was installed.
mp_en_viaje: all this at pizarro then ?