asciilifeform: this however is an engineering question

asciilifeform: that was simply answer to 'why interest in subj'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu simply doesn't grok the depth of asciilifeform's misanthropy.

asciilifeform: actually orlov did at one point say that he would be happy to live in a land truck but it is too easily accessible by enemies

asciilifeform: trinque: i would prefer to select simply by moving my house into international water and submerging.

asciilifeform: trinque: i pay the equivalent of a nice car every year for this selection.

asciilifeform: pointedly not 'neighbours in trailer park'

asciilifeform: trinque: 'talk to anyone' i am happy to do. but a SELECTABLE 'anyone'.

asciilifeform: and it surfaces ok.

asciilifeform: you can anchor bolts in it, like in cement.

asciilifeform: no slide.

asciilifeform: there was a test vessel, worked great.

asciilifeform: ah no.

asciilifeform: this imho is a win.

asciilifeform: eh you get a hull for so long as you can score a few kg of sawdust every month.

asciilifeform: it is a qualitative jump, in cost AND repairability, and i have nfi why orlov ignored it.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider pykrete.

asciilifeform: foolish dreams of mechanical arithmetizers notwithstanding!11

asciilifeform: long division will be same forever!111

asciilifeform: and arithmetic is arithmetic and what is this steam computer nonsense.

asciilifeform: may as well bring up crashed pilots building rafts, optimizing for cost..

asciilifeform: no one in industrial age. fine.

asciilifeform: AWAY FROM PEOPLE

asciilifeform: so long as it were a container AT SEA and not in a bum park

asciilifeform: i would happily move into one RIGHT NOW if it meant that i could start accumulating escape money..

asciilifeform: trinque: there is a great deal to be said for living in a shipping container

asciilifeform: about as practical, for a non-mircea_popescu, as a space station, to own.

asciilifeform: full of $maxint tech

asciilifeform: phf: ok not so interesting. it's a giant diesel thing

asciilifeform: phf: interesting

asciilifeform: phf: what was 'boat house' in context ? afaik the phrase usually refers to a fragile river barge thing, rather than machine to survive north atlantic

asciilifeform: but rather that he is revolted by the concept of antisocial capsule per se

asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu pisses on 'quidnon' for reasons which have nothing to do with hydrodynamics or metallurgy ☟︎

asciilifeform: iirc no one ever even ~tried~ the 'optimize for cost, survival boat' design prior. ☟︎

asciilifeform: or better yet, sopwith.

asciilifeform: again the 'expensive' thing is rather like observing that f-16 parts are costly. yes, because golden toilet buyers. compare instead with mig.

asciilifeform: a boat is no longer definitionally 10,001 planks.

asciilifeform: so yes, deal.

asciilifeform: even the yacht folks are using fiberglass/epoxy.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plastics happened.

asciilifeform: which is why i follow the subj.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'sailboat' is a racing yacht. orlov's is a (mostly) wind-powered antisocial survival capsule. ☟︎

asciilifeform: it is quite conceivable that there is item, which is recognizably a computer, but not one of the items for which ibm correctly assessed a market sized 5 units in '52.

asciilifeform: in, when was it, '52 ?

asciilifeform: this is rather like that ibm fella who wrote 'there is a market for five computers'

asciilifeform: not this one.

asciilifeform: i am interested in his ostrichcamel.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your sailboats, again, are a 'race horse' luxurywank item, not a practical instrument

asciilifeform: (of either amateur or usgistic variety)

asciilifeform: ... which cannot capsize, and is difficult to detect for pirate

asciilifeform: imho orlov is making a mistake though - he ought to be designing a submarine.

asciilifeform: but if you must - you can.

asciilifeform: man lives in vacuum? 'nonsense!'

asciilifeform: and whole point of engineering is to convert 'that's nonsense' into 'grudgingly sense', powered by certain amount of money and elbow grease. consider space capsule.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are not made for this purpose, but he is attempting to design one which is..

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of mr o's materials presume 'live in boat' means sailboat.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes but did you attempt to ~live~ in them.

asciilifeform: an orlovian boat is a machine strictly smaller than a refrigerator truck.

asciilifeform: might account for some of the 'wtf' factor.

asciilifeform: from past orlov&boat threads, iirc mircea_popescu sailed titanic diesels.

asciilifeform: and lives in them, with wife and son even, and there is not much extra space.

asciilifeform: he sails strictly sailboats, and strictly ones which fit in a standard american slip

asciilifeform: also size.

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: what's agwe ?

asciilifeform: has a number of unusual design features for self-sufficiency (flotation arch for uncapsizing, sub-style water tanks for emergency buoyancy, as described in linked piece, etc)

asciilifeform: 'quidnon' is orlov's crackpot design, it will, he wrote, be published as plans on www, and sold as diy kit.

asciilifeform: not houses for orlov.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's boats were pleasure boats for rich folk.

asciilifeform: (for the impatient, last section, grep for 'blow the tanks')

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov has an interesting pill for mircea_popescu's 'if yer boat has a hole, you gotta drydock it and now you're out $maxint' >> http://quidnon.blogspot.com/2016/07/on-women-boats-and-plumbing.html

asciilifeform: so they weren't wholly disposable.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the occasional harem washout was married off to a pasha

asciilifeform: possibly the 'no surplus chix!' thing has similar root causes.

asciilifeform: for the same reason as parrot.

asciilifeform: they were forbidden in usg enclaves almost immediately

asciilifeform: and parrot it back in a jumbled cacophony

asciilifeform: there was a toy, 'furby', sorta a stuffed devil, that would randomly memorize bits of speech heard from microphone

asciilifeform: for some reason my first thought is 'furby'

asciilifeform: just the way we set them jumpers.

asciilifeform: why not gurlz? no reason.

asciilifeform: i.e., the item above.

asciilifeform: at the core is a buncha very arbitrary jumper settings.

asciilifeform: all else is engineering.

asciilifeform: culture is the set of arbitrary window dressing that dun make sense.

asciilifeform: always parked them in this old-palace-jail thing

asciilifeform: iirc they never, for some reason, surplussed the gurlz

asciilifeform: i bet he saw it as little different from modern bloke throwing out his pack of cigs 'tryin' to quit'

asciilifeform: hey, ibrahim drowned whole fucking harem

asciilifeform: l0gz dead

asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://cryptome.org/2016/07/cloudflare-de-anons-tor.htm

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505343 << aha. ☝︎

asciilifeform: the rest, described earlier.

asciilifeform: every modulus that turns up at more than 1 addr, gets a colour (which colour? use 4colourmaptheorem)

asciilifeform: https://ant.isi.edu/address/it.37.all.16-subnet_stats.3px-per-point.annotated.png

asciilifeform: i meant this kind,

asciilifeform: no.

asciilifeform: the reason to remember it is - to recall that html-style 'payload can be anything and arbitrarily grungy' retardation is not the only way.

asciilifeform: it was almost a glorified ftp.

asciilifeform: so then.