asciilifeform: but yes, it is a result of 'we Just Want To move cargo'

asciilifeform: british, spanish, etc. 'thought about the sea' plenty

asciilifeform: per my (admittedly nonexpert) understanding, piracy is an artifact of abundant, unprotected merchant shipping, and tends to quickly get multiplied by 0 when it becomes a palpable problem

asciilifeform: even modern-day somali pirates have a story about how they are merely collecting back-rent for usurped fishing rights.

asciilifeform: says ~as much on his tomb

asciilifeform: but yes barbarossa was the ottoman naval penis

asciilifeform: noshit.jpg: who is 'pirate' and who is 'armed tax collector' is a pov question.

asciilifeform: not the least bit venetian iirc

asciilifeform: ah him

asciilifeform: the one where 'why do you molest the seas ?'

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: i dun know of anybody camping out in orbit to save on rent either.

asciilifeform: (or, at least, economically)

asciilifeform: probably because it is not achievable at present tech level.

asciilifeform: granted it does not work if you're captain kidd and whole navy is after yer arse.

asciilifeform: sorta like the answer to mice, rats, roaches, is to live where there is winter and turn off the heat on occasion.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it works against low-effort vermin.

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: well in the sub variant.

asciilifeform: wood isn't much good for dives.

asciilifeform: (it had terrible problems with condensation)

asciilifeform: well the fiberglass yacht he started with had troubles. hence the retrofit.

asciilifeform: this entails some insulation in the hull (orlov retrofitted ordinary boat with this, there are pics on his www) and a heat source.

asciilifeform: well perhaps not arctic, but in the general case survive in 'die of hypothermia in half hour' water which fills a good chunk of the planet for much of the year

asciilifeform: i still picture it as looking like 'cray-II'

asciilifeform: and diffuse out with great difficulty.

asciilifeform: possibly they exist steadily in one particular spot in the city

asciilifeform: reminiscent of various yarns where 'cannot eat the alien food because wrong protein chirality'

asciilifeform: 1, i think, but it was not able to bite through my skin for some reason.

asciilifeform: *guessed

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i guesses as much.

asciilifeform misses one season - spring - which is about two weeks long here. defined as the season where one can go outdoors without either frost or mosquitoes

asciilifeform: almost enough to make me contemplate.

asciilifeform: many positive things re the turks in mircea_popescu's works.

asciilifeform: i've wondered on occasion why mircea_popescu did not settle among the turks.

asciilifeform: what, other than proper euro winter, did mircea_popescu not fit in his suitcase ?

asciilifeform: winter is a month or so long ?

asciilifeform: neato

asciilifeform: how was meatspace mircea_popescu ?

asciilifeform: because the socket was ~not~ actually done away with.

asciilifeform: but regardless, jurov has no case here, because if i want to plug in such a toaster today, i can easily do so without spending so much as one extra penny.

asciilifeform: or, hm, apparently in usa toasters etc with light-bulb cones were once common.

asciilifeform: afaik it was only ever 'the' standard for lights.

asciilifeform: but i have never seen an applicance made with said plug.

asciilifeform: for semi-permanent connections it is still unbeatable

asciilifeform: i have edison screw light bulbs all over the house ?

asciilifeform: mno?

asciilifeform: where?

asciilifeform: jurov saw such a thing?!

asciilifeform: and a tall pile of things which MUST burn.

asciilifeform: (they get to, e.g., buy a million adapters from one broken misstandard to another)

asciilifeform: and so they get, what they get.

asciilifeform: for whatever jwz reason, this is NOT how folks have been treating programming languages

asciilifeform: if i go to a shop and buy a vacuum cleaner and the mains plug fits in NO socket, i will never buy from said vendor again.

asciilifeform: (which is why microshit lusers pay and pay and still get 'embrace & extinguish' implementations of everything)

asciilifeform: and it is not sufficient to ~have~ the money, you must also ~withhold~ it from the non-compliant vendors.

asciilifeform: serious money.

asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that standards-compliance costs money.

asciilifeform: iirc there were versions of allegro which ignored case sensitivity toggle.

asciilifeform: sometimes even deliberate idiocies.

asciilifeform: bugs - exist.

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/oGZR6 << in other lulz. 'Marines Will Soon Need to Know How to Shoot a Moving Target, Because That Wasn't a Thing Before.'

asciilifeform: 'what if yer system doesn't have sockets'

asciilifeform: (it omitted, e.g., sockets)

asciilifeform: jurov: this is because the standard was incomplete, and it is nearly impossible to write a program today wholly using only the standard.

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: 'Android would freeze unexpectedly, especially when trying to watch aerial feeds of unmanned drones, the source said.'

asciilifeform: this is quite impossible in a properly-specified multivendor environment.

asciilifeform: at any rate, the existence of even the POSSIBILITY of a program which ran on one, but not another, is what i was speaking of

asciilifeform: (iirc items with plain std i/o worked on all jvm)

asciilifeform: was there a gui ?

asciilifeform: i was speaking of commercial proggies written for sun's.

asciilifeform: so yes, jurov's code ran on it, because written for it, mega-surprise.

asciilifeform: well you wrote ~for~ it

asciilifeform: nor was there ever a hard standard.

asciilifeform: nor was it ever seriously 'cross-platform'

asciilifeform: there was NEVER a usable multivendorization of java.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506248 << in past life, when i gave half a shit, EVERY single proggy i tried to run on ibm jvm, barfed. ☝︎

asciilifeform: even before you get to os/libs crapolade.

asciilifeform: (a good chunk of historic c succumbs to endianism, word size, etc. idiocy)

asciilifeform: phf: c 'portability' is a laugh, considering the tight coupling with cpu

asciilifeform: STILL unbeatable

asciilifeform: parts of which pre-date common lisp and are almost half a century old.

asciilifeform: jurov: yes. e.g., macsyma.

asciilifeform: lel multivendor java?!

asciilifeform: (ansi) scheme.

asciilifeform: forth, incidentally, also.

asciilifeform: (yes most folks programmin' today have never seen, smelled, touched, such a thing.)

asciilifeform: and multi-vendor implementations.

asciilifeform: languages with MOTHERFUCKING ACTUAL STANDARDS

asciilifeform: fortran.

asciilifeform: ada.

asciilifeform: common lisp.

asciilifeform: but naturally crapolade built ~by~ and ~for~ disposable young cocklets, does not ~have~ a concept of '20 year old code i wish to run today'

asciilifeform: and ought to be milking hogs, not designing systems

asciilifeform: phf: re python: in my view, if you EVER end up breaking a language in such a way that 20 y.o. code cannot run, not only was your lang broken to begin with, but YOUR HEAD was. ☟︎

asciilifeform: * a111 has quit (Quit: ...) << phf ...?

asciilifeform: phf: aha!

asciilifeform: clim is a misery.

asciilifeform: no graphics?