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asciilifeform: on a binary machine? yes

asciilifeform: cause all of a sudden a shr or shl is O(N) !

asciilifeform: the beauty is that with a few hundred bytes of overhead, it can eat standard gpg messages

mircea_popescu: perhaps. i dun see it yet, but this is mostly because i am not a coder myself.

assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 20:12:02; asciilifeform: i suppose i spoiled 'v' a month before publishing, and no one noticed it, so perhaps i ought to 'spoil' this one

asciilifeform: it'll be more of a thing once we get the sha1 out of the loop though.

mircea_popescu: and if key X took a fart in gimp-v-0.9 big deal, this won't see it anyway.

asciilifeform: (considering that there is not a meaningful default for it, even in principle)

asciilifeform: the only item that requires manual handling in a correct vtron is keys.

mod6: yeah. that patch won't be added into the mirror. now if someone wants to try out his patch locally, they'll have to pull his vpatch, and add his key to the wot manually and then see what happens if they want to press out a branch that includes that vpatch.

asciilifeform: but if funkenstein learns the ropes and remains a contributor, he will need to antipatch himself.

asciilifeform: but my current thought is that antipatches will have to be a thing, yes.

asciilifeform: point is that a malefactor could probably find something public with which to create headache if the mechanism 'takes anything signed like-so'

mod6: i like it a lot. its sort of too bad that the step definitions behind the "gherkin" or cucumber scenarios are written in Perl, python may have been easier for people to digest. But I'm not as up too par on that.

mircea_popescu: i thought we had a header

asciilifeform: mod6: one aspect which i never fully fleshed out imho needs some thought: when the thing is hooked to a live wwwtron, what is to stop idiots from tossing in arbitrary signed crud from #b-a logs into it ?

mircea_popescu: i've been learning a lot watching :D

asciilifeform: (vs a protein-diddler)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. new catalyst takes perhaps a day to try.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307976 << this looks spiffy but what is a cucumber test ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: aha, catalysts have come a long way.

mircea_popescu: they actually have a liquefaction process (in the civilised world, not in the us) that significantly reduces the intellectual relevancy of this

asciilifeform: this is even (especially?) a problem for coal. if you have noncombustibles in there (and, increasingly, you do) you get ruined furnace, downtime, outages.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307955 << it isn't a pure matter of joules, on account of envirowhinerism being a thing. also gotta have 'sufficiently low sulfur' etc. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: and notice that it was interestinfg to them PRECISELY because a) he did what they don't do (go for a woman) and b) it blew up in a way threy like.

mircea_popescu: but this is what "a woman" means.

mircea_popescu: if homo redditicus would pay as much as five borrowed dollars for "a woman" the us would look like argentina.

mircea_popescu: "woman" as in, overweight, with college debt, with bad habits, with the entire baggage of having watched as much as 5 mionutes of for-women tv is worth less than a pig.

mircea_popescu: and otherwise, people want a teenager.

mircea_popescu: the poor arab beta boys want a RICH woman.

mircea_popescu: who wants "a woman" ? nobody.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307946 << no upheaval because there is not the vaguest inkling of a threat of anything like a robotic replacement for chix ☝︎

asciilifeform: this is a result of the tower of babel situation re: pc hardware, rather than anything else.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sbcl is an interesting beast. there are really two compilers (and before anyone asks, their semantic idempotence is neither proven nor provable) - a bootstrapper, in c, and a battlefield variant, in itself.

jurov: "the Glasgow Haskell compiler is written in Haskell: a 100,000-line application. "

assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 00:20:41; assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:39:50; mod6: One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.

mircea_popescu: "There is a terrible, terrible, ugly truth underlying all of this, and that is that taxes don't matter to a government that can print money. The government collected $2.4T and spent $3.6T. They'll take what they get, of course, but if they had collected $2T or $3T you/they would not have noticed. The country isn't a household, it is a bank, and as long as the rest of the world believes "we're good for it," then we a

mod6: So a new version of my V (version 99999 K) has been posted to the website and the ML.

ben_vulpes: 's more than a few.

mircea_popescu: a few %s isn't significant anymore :D

mircea_popescu: it is certainly a valid, heavy duty phd. "1915-2015, a century of "oil quality"". THAT is something i'd respect.

mircea_popescu: guaranteed entertainment for a year's time in smart go-getter types.

mircea_popescu: did you get to the entire crazy that is "oil quality", how it relates to its density, and what "a barrle" ACTUALLY means ?

assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 16:29:35; asciilifeform: who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval.

assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 16:14:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307597 << WITHOUT EXCEPTION this kind of thing is said by people who, if you were to wire them to the mains to get the truth, will admit that they see any disease that doesn't show up on a blood test or xray as 'in your mind'

mircea_popescu: or are you really aiming to become a glorified consumer gimmicks firm?"

mircea_popescu: "|hey - heres an idea Apple - rather than enter the world of gimmicks and toys, why dont you spend a little more time sorting out your pathetically expensive and crap server line up?

jurov: misread as widget system, got excited for a moment

asciilifeform: this is not a bad time to point out that dope tolerance is not a magical punishment straight from god, but a physical mechanism. which could, conceivably, be dealt with.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you missed a long and mighty dope thread

assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 03:11:07; mats: did a stint in pharmacy school, rite?

asciilifeform: also - as mats knows - or ought to know - 'trusted' is a usg shibboleth for 'resists attempts at understanding or modification by putative owner'

asciilifeform: but if you enjoy putting a steel door on a drywall room - who am i to say no.

asciilifeform: (e.g., most nics have a - documented or not - provision for dma)

asciilifeform: it is a crock of shit, because the pretense is trivially shattered in 1,001 ways

asciilifeform: 'protects from root' what a crock of shit

asciilifeform: and yes, for every meth-taking erdos or wiener, there are ten million nobodies who think that their sulfurous rancid turd burning at both ends is a candle with lovely light, yes.

asciilifeform: 'my candle burns at both ends, / it will not last the night, / but ah, my foes! / and oh, my friends! / it gives a lovely light.'

mircea_popescu: so asciilifeform : a) the iron because they're broken (ie, not equal to the design) ; the bc is, TECHNICALLY, part of the car. aftermarket shocks.

mircea_popescu: i will now attempt to mout a defense with my disembodied, bloody remains!

asciilifeform: and the PREMISES are retarded. they take it as a GIVEN that there WILL be overflows, stack smashes, etc.

asciilifeform: this is ipso facto a bad thing.

asciilifeform: it is a past-tense thing.

assbot: 5 results for 'placebocin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=placebocin

mircea_popescu: all myths have a kernel of truth in em. the idea is to select a set that works.

asciilifeform: i was conjecturing that this particular myth has a kernel of truth in it, just as the stories of 'great flood' are said to

asciilifeform: because i can easily see a rational mechanism for 'i am not now really alive but if $condition then i will be.'

assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 16:04:16; asciilifeform: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307560 << i could tell much the same tale as you. eventually i discovered that i have a 26-hour circadian cycle and no amount of punishments, risks, dope, lost money, etc. will do A FUCKING THING about it. the only cure is to break out of workschwitz so that to sleep ad libitum.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307743 << it sounded to me like the same. in fact, it is likely that boys have a non-24 hour rythm with significant incidence (if you think about it - how do you design the male to maximize its fucjing and hunting opportunities ?) ☝︎

mircea_popescu: lest i get lost in a pile of awesome and do no work but grin for the rest of the sunday.

assbot: Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMSgXx )

asciilifeform: there was an old comic where a schoolteacher says 'i always wear a condom when conducting lessons'

asciilifeform: mats: take, for instance: 'encrypt/decrypt return address by a random key.' this is TYPICAL microshitism. the only actual result of this kind of thinking is that shit gets ever harder to debug, and new hidey-holes for exploitation are born.

diametric: asciilifeform: its not a clone.

asciilifeform reads specs, discovers that indeed it claims to be a metcal clone

asciilifeform: who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval. ☟︎☟︎

assbot: 35 results for 'mocsny' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mocsny

assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems

assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 07:07:19; mircea_popescu: for some reason b-a now reads like reddit.

asciilifeform: tlp et al are right in a sense: depression, weird circadian rhythms, etc. are not diseases in the sense that leukemia is. all of these people would happily live without dope, on some different planet. the problem is that they cannot move to this planet.

assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:32:53; trinque: these types of experiences (and they're probably the cheapest version) will rid you of that nonsense in a moment

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307597 << WITHOUT EXCEPTION this kind of thing is said by people who, if you were to wire them to the mains to get the truth, will admit that they see any disease that doesn't show up on a blood test or xray as 'in your mind' ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: and you can't take a holiday from the dope because then the cheques stop coming.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307560 << i could tell much the same tale as you. eventually i discovered that i have a 26-hour circadian cycle and no amount of punishments, risks, dope, lost money, etc. will do A FUCKING THING about it. the only cure is to break out of workschwitz so that to sleep ad libitum. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: looks like a scoring model.

mircea_popescu: for some reason b-a now reads like reddit. ☟︎

trinque: being here to have a good time sounds great

gabriel_laddel: right, but I'm here to have a good time in spite of that

trinque: why not program JS for a living?

gabriel_laddel: why not program JS for a living

trinque: it's a bunch of horse shit

gabriel_laddel: like a responsible adult

gabriel_laddel: fine, trinque, what are your top 3 favorite substances to use in moderation, with a trip sitter, etc etc

trinque: weed I smoked daily for a long time

trinque: it was a joke, dingus

gabriel_laddel: well, that is a fair point, but I don't want to e.g., lose weight.

mircea_popescu: well, alcohol is a downer. kids are overexcitable. it's a toss-up.

punkman: I've taken modafinil before sleep a couple times, to make sure I'd wake up for a flight

gabriel_laddel: (for the record, taking a regular caffine pill before sleep doesn't wok)