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ag3nt_zer0: hmmm maybe I would do better to not post a quote out of context
ag3nt_zer0: which? sorry I don't follow... good day btw
mircea_popescu: i wanna meet him.
andychase: I'm a freelance software developer from Oregon
andychase: If that's true then great, I'd like to take that form of validation and put it into a formal process that can be used for approving or rejecting changes to Bitcoin
shinohai: I think WoT proves we are each unique and valuable members of the community
shinohai: I have been so worried all this time that our opinion would never be validated.
andychase: I'd like to take that kind of system and move it up so a community like this one can make their opinion validated as part of the process for improving bitcoin
andychase: I feel like we've gone a bit off topic a bit. I'd love to hear your opinions on a system for reviewing and indicating full approval on changes to the Bitcoin protocol
andychase: I think you guys know what I meant :) You can upgrade your btcd client the same way to recieve the BIP66 changes
andychase: Although to be honest I had a hard time understanding fully what you were talking about in regards to the flaws in the BIP process. Was it just that the Core Devs hadn't really talked to the miners or understood what was going on?
andychase: I read your article called "Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken" and I was wondering what your thoughts might be on my recent [BIP/Draft] Committee-based BIP Acceptance Process proposal.
ag3nt_zer0: kakobrekla: well I used to think I was a decent wordsmith until I stumbled onto trilema contravex and loperos haha... but yeah perhaps qntra is something to aspire to contribute to...
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: should you wanna take care of that literacy, I've got a chick going through that interactive SICP, seems to be working out for her
ag3nt_zer0: on another topic, I wonder is there anything a programming illiterate, or super noob relative to the experience level in here, can do to make himself useful to the ongoing labors of this group?
trinque: this might be the first one I'm at all pleased with
trinque: but I'm solidly in the hobbyist category
trinque: nah, if I ever get this one to export maybe I'll throw on the www
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: I am pretty sure I ended up at http://cluborlov.blogspot.com due to you referencing the unspell project... do you have any more leads on smart blogs for geopolitics/economics etc?
ag3nt_zer0: and I suppose, for me, that there are minds I quite respect in this room, yours among them, and would hope to hear any thoughts...
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski take me to the parallel lsd universe where i'm rich !
assbot: George Harrison - I Dig Love - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3XdBA )
ben_vulpes: in other news, i'm off to a baby shower
asciilifeform: and i don't give a flying fuck if the thing has parts made of baby bones and panda fur
asciilifeform: and i can do without 'warranty' and 'returns'
asciilifeform: because i sure as fuck don't ~need~ 'support'
asciilifeform: it is often possible if i can avoid paying the 'newness tax'
asciilifeform: say i wanna buy an xxxxxtron but don't have $10k.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.
ben_vulpes: ahaha look at all of these python tabs i can close now
asciilifeform: i was not able to find how to enforce level stepping in it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: punkman: i decided not to post it, because the result sucks
asciilifeform: punkman: i did a rough version of just that, a few days ago
punkman: I think I might hook it up to graphviz for visualization
punkman: asciilifeform: I only thought about it for 5 min but it seems like the solution to this would be a bit complex
asciilifeform: punkman: i decided, rather than let the thing sit sadly for another month while i get this necessary thing to work, to release instead
punkman: asciilifeform: I just noticed this earlier when I looked at press, will apply every single patch up to HEAD
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was hoping it would be obvious to anyone who actually tried to use the thing.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: try producing a patch that forks off, e.g., rel1, and see what i mean.
ben_vulpes: and no, i have not yet ginned up the tree-fuzzer.
ben_vulpes: yes, i have only written 'happy path' tests.
ben_vulpes: and this is why the global state drives me up a wall. because i cannot import one of these functions from the script and then run it without setting up a global environment for it. it's difficult to reason about the code lacks locality.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw i find it interesting that nobody has yet noticed that 1) broken chains 2) orphaned subchains of any length whatsoever --- do not work ☟︎
ben_vulpes: but looky here. you've written a thing that more-or-less must be tested as a whole, and i'm trying to push for testing the bits.
ben_vulpes: i know what it is, silly. just not the places where it's used. yet.
ben_vulpes: i don't think i understand their use well enough to complain in detail.
ben_vulpes: i've not touched the arg parsing itself.
asciilifeform: let's say it weren't. then ' ./v.py w ' prints wot ? but this is broken. because what if 'w' is my patch dir, and i simply forgot to include the second arg.
ben_vulpes: i /abhor/ functions that take the whole environment as their input arguments.
ben_vulpes: in all honesty, it is a relic of testing from before i had the args objects mocked out.
asciilifeform: 'cause now if i wanna add a new command, there are THREE FUCKING PLACES to put it in instead of 2
ben_vulpes: i of course neglected the test incantations.
asciilifeform: i will read this.
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 23:54:25; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename attach.foo.sig for every attach.foo
kakobrekla: i got a second mircorserver that will be another home node (amd, ecc, raid) that is on my bench waiting to be assembled for a couple of weeks now.
asciilifeform: i will note, for anyone relying on zoolag to transmit time-sensitive things, that it is on a fucking home fiber
asciilifeform: i am still waiting to hear from anybody having set up another.
asciilifeform: i will also take this chance to point out that the node on dulap has been rendered useless by all of this - trails by 30-100 blocks AT ALL TIMES
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 12:25:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the sh
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263914 << i've been thinking about this ever since the last thread, and so far i have not come up with any way to make the thing RELIABLY survive the treatment it is getting ☝︎
ben_vulpes: aha, yes I was
ben_vulpes: ^^ from a vanilla vdemo tar, unless i'm horribly mistaken.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform `for i in $(shasum -a 512 patches/* | awk '{print $1}'); do python v.py patches o $1; done` returns "No origin found." for all patches. i've not successfully run 'origin' yet.
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
ben_vulpes: mains-currenting his box, and so i think phuctor is in limbo for the moment.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is trying to find the shitgnome responsble for ☟︎☟︎
shinohai: I think phuctor is down, but will have to ask asciilifeform when he gets here
vextor: I'll be watching the logs in case my services are needed
vextor: if there's anything I can do to help new submissions work again, please let me know
vextor: I assume that when the number of moduli to test reaches 0, then key submission will work again?
vextor: I did so, and also noted the Phuctor statistics. the number of keys to process was gradually going down
vextor: hello, a week ago I reported that Phuctor is broken when new keys are submitted
shinohai: Thanks AVG, deleting bitcoin nau: https://i.imgur.com/snA9iAP.png
punkman: every time I end up on instagram, I can't believe all the pictures are 640pixels and people use it
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/snA9iAP.png
funkenstein_: "never seen in all my days what so rejoiced my heart, as these things. For I saw among them amazing artistic objects, and I marveled over the subtle ingenuity of the men in these distant lands. Indeed, I cannot say enough about the things that were brought before me"
funkenstein_: Cortes: "Besides those things which I have already mentioned, they sell in the market everything else to be found in this land, but they are so many and so varied that because of their great number and because I cannot remember many of them nor do I know what they are called I shall not mention them"
funkenstein_: I will renew efforts with greater motivation
funkenstein_: well i must thank you for reminding me of the extent of damage due to idiocy and mental illness which has occured in the past
gabriel_laddel: nvm - I've just got a bunch of DERIVE files, no sources.
gabriel_laddel: Yeah, I failed at that a while back.
mircea_popescu: god i loved that stupid scroller
asciilifeform: i used it.
mircea_popescu: i could have had a symbolics box ?
mircea_popescu: and i could have had standard common lisp on what ?
mircea_popescu: and i could run this on what ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: is there anything in particular DERIVE has that maxima does not? I read a presentation on the matter, which had some nice specifics (inequality support) but am curious why you fondly remember the former rather than the latter.
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, what did -your- neolithic folks demonstrably have that I want now?
asciilifeform: (note that this is not a null set, but i don't expect to hear any correct answer just now)
mircea_popescu: what's this mezclado of everything. we talk north american indians you derp about early mexico city, i discuss tech you derp about consumers... different things yo.
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: what did your neolithic folks ~demonstrably~ have, that, e.g., i, want but do not have?
mircea_popescu: not anymore than i care for tornatore's shepherd.
mircea_popescu: i do not need nor care to mention some schmucks 5000 years late to the party.
mircea_popescu: if i want to worship some iron age primitives, i got the greeks
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, when I read your excellent blog I am often reminded of the aztec word "tonal"
mircea_popescu: last fucking thing i want to see are some elders harping on about how great the iron age man was. srsly.
mircea_popescu: i did ?!
funkenstein_: i cry for mircea_popescu who lives in a society which grew up with no wise elders
funkenstein_: i cry for the descendents of the fucktards who still bear the scars of mental illness
asciilifeform: incidentally, i notice that aficionados of crying for the indians for some odd reason cry preferentially for the ones clobbered earlier and more thoroughly, leaving not so much as a wet spot (e.g., arawak) vs the later ones who learned horse and rifle and gave white man a run for his money