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____Atlas_____: I guess I haven'
t lost enough in this case. I got most of my money out in time.
____Atlas_____: Meh, I just don'
t see what we could get out of Nefario if we charge him.
____Atlas_____: mircea_popescu: A court ruling isn'
t going to bring your dead child back.
____Atlas_____: mircea_popescu: You can'
t possibly think the legal process works most of the time
mircea_popescu: OneEyed you have a solid point, but they're kids and don;
t know how thigns work.
OneEyed: ____Atlas_____: ok, so bend over and take him deep, don'
t object, do nothing
OneEyed: ____Atlas_____: so they haven'
t put a motion forward because of that?
BTC-Mining: I'd say like mircea. For some reason Nefario might just want to quit altogether and isn'
t forced to close GLBSE. He might just be running from his responsibility as the manager of GLBSE.com
OneEyed: ____Atlas_____: so as far as I know, they haven'
t voted him out yet
mircea_popescu: this is why mpex doesn'
t even recognize the concept of shareholder vote.
OneEyed: ____Atlas_____: theymos said that he said he wouldn'
t move even if he was voted out
mircea_popescu: these aren'
t white street cops in a black neighbourhood.
mircea_popescu: what if nefario just fills in with his addy for all those who don'
t respond ?
BTC-Mining: Or that would be claimed by issuer after people complain they haven'
t received anything.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining no, cause it wouldn'
t be a game of chase among 3.
mircea_popescu: so now suppose customer X complains he didn'
t get dividend.
drekk: don'
t aim too high. this is the internet & bitcoin & anonymous users after all. you won'
t find a smooth way to handle this like IRL. imho
mircea_popescu: if user X has 3 assets, you can'
t give his name/pw to 3 issuers
mircea_popescu: online the gpg system might be sufficient (hasn'
t really been tested yet)
BTC-Mining: What's such a big fuss anyway, stock exchanges delist assets on occasions, it doesn'
t mean everything is lost, just that the asset is no longer traded on an exchange.
BTC-Mining: Hope you didn'
t have too much and too many different kind of assets femtotube then.
BTC-Mining: It would be a bit harder, but I don'
t see why it couldn'
t be traded OTC style with a room he on freenode like the #bitcoin-otc
mircea_popescu: which is why we don'
t take forum shit *that* seriously. to keep our sanity.
BTC-Mining: Well the whole argument was about how how presenting an opinion/guess as a fact is bad if you didn'
t directly witness the fact, as it creates confusion for the listener.
BTC-Mining: But theymos, on the other hand, apparently didn'
t saw anything.
BTC-Mining: Yes. But that you decide to claim what you saw or not as a body, you still can'
t say you witnessed a murder.
BTC-Mining: Okay... so assuming you didn'
t see what you think you saw and there was no body, you'd go around claiming a murder?
mircea_popescu: well that's the problem. you haven'
t, but in your place i have.
BTC-Mining: Acknowledging he might be using his own money, and that he just claimed he stole fund because he didn'
t think Nefario had the money for a lawyer.
BTC-Mining: He later said "I assume he's spending user deposits. Maybe he's using his own money, but I don'
t think he has enough to cover lawyer fees. He said in the meeting that he wants BitcoinGlobal to pay for the lawyer."
mircea_popescu: you can write it any way you please, but unless it's "here's so and so and here's the proof" it ain'
t a fact.
BTC-Mining: He hasn'
t been proven to have stolen anything*
BTC-Mining: Yes, but he hasn'
t stolen anything... the first claim by theymos was stating it as a fact, when he was just speculating.
BTC-Mining: You don'
t start executing someone for murder, than investigate if he was the murdered.
BTC-Mining: "I assume he's spending user deposits. Maybe he's using his own money, but I don'
t think he has enough to cover lawyer fees. He said in the meeting that he wants BitcoinGlobal to pay for the lawyer."
midnightmagic: yeaah.. Just because something pops into your head and you can'
t think of anything else, that doesn'
t make it true, Atlas.
midnightmagic: Corruption is indeed rampant in China. But the government doesn'
t like competition..
mircea_popescu: sure it can. but it can'
t be aquired by just about anybody.
mircea_popescu: ____Atlas_____ that means "if you don'
t make any money"
____Atlas_____: Then he wonders why most articles don'
t have "good status"
BTC-Mining: ghosts? Wouldn'
t it be schizophrenia? Common symptom is auditory hallucinations.
____Atlas_____: Honestly, I wouldn'
t mind that. I already hear ghosts whisper in my ear at night. I am already going batshit insane.
B0g4r7: If they didn'
t, oh well, they didn;
t weigh in, but they will have had their chance.
BTC-Mining: And I'd want efficient governments who don'
t have to forbid activities simply because protecting people and separating harmful activities from non-harmful ones would be too hard if said activities were not forbidden.
B0g4r7: Shouldn'
t be a problem.
B0g4r7: I guess the atmosphere doesn'
t really extend but a few miles up, no?
BTC-Mining: Also, what will I do if I can'
t trade on the large price swings and price difference from GLBSE?
B0g4r7: Couldn'
t have been much. Their last sweep into the cold wallet on Oct 4th totaled 165 BTC and change.
BTC-Mining: I don'
t even know how much she deposited, I'll have to call her.
BTC-Mining: Hey, she doesn'
t have much money at all either, you know students.
smickles: I am, don'
t you know what inb4 means?
sgornick: Doesn'
t say anything about photo id.
B0g4r7: That's a chatty bot. It can'
t summarize?
pigeons: that doesn'
t change what i said
bitcoinbear: I never used bitfloor, so that wouldn'
t hurt my anominity
sgornick: So, let's just say BitFloor, which reported their hack to the FBI, has turned over its DB [don'
t know if they did, just listing the possibility] and GLBSE's DB has found its way to regulators. How little anonymity for Bitcoin is left?
pigeons: btc doesn'
t care about the law, mpex high school football rules!
sgornick: Of all the security breaches that have happened, wouldn'
t now be the right time for GLBSE's DB to be leaked so that issuers can wind down properly?
B0g4r7: I don'
t think the participants minded or felt they were doing anything wrong.
smickles: mircea_popescu: "BTC doesn'
t care about the SEC. MPEx rules!" > "BTC doesn'
t care about the SEC. MPEx.us!" is better
____Atlas_____: If he just pretended he didn'
t get the message and refunded everyone
BTC-Mining: go ahead and do a regulated exchange... but now by doing all this shit I'll need a lawyer's advice so... well yeah, I fetched Bitcoins in the users' deposits. The other owners of GLBSE I just screwed can pay you back that. I don'
t care about GLBSE anymore."
BTC-Mining: [22:45] <BTC-Mining> Ok, I'll make a guess at what Nefario's announcement will be: "Ok, so yeah, I'll give a code list for every asset, hmm... It was kind of boring me, hmm... also won'
t listen to other GLBSE owners as they technically don'
t officially own anything since GLBSE was not registered anywhere and hmm... yeah, they can have this old code I guess. So I'm kind of just going to
rdponticelli: But then you wasn'
t right when you thought you was wrong
pigeons: yeah i don'
t think using a credit card to register the site is nefario's problem
smickles: noagendamarket: not that i know for sure, but arn'
t brokers a subset of accredited investors?
smickles: noagendamarket: good point, i hadn'
t thought of that
smickles: if you don'
t care, Diablo-D3, why make a statement like youdid?
Bugpowder: I'm surprised we haven'
t seen a 'pirate' style selloff in coins
smickles: I couldn'
t even google that question.
mircea_popescu: well not everyone, but the sort that don'
t like mpex, invest in ponzis, think business = website + domain name etc.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining don'
t worry,. when i get kyc done i'll pass info along
mircea_popescu: ironically, wasn'
t nefario trying to convince conference atendees about how scammy mpex is ?
boonies4u: i don'
t know much about ya Azelphur
mircea_popescu: so now i can'
t update my nefario rating cause i don'
t want to lose my position as first to have negged him.
Bugpowder: who would have though
t that Romania was an advantage