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asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that nobody can move ~into~ past.
mircea_popescu: there's no magic number as to WHICH past. but in point of fact past is all there is.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766479 << past is where the items to be learned from live, even if the world were just a week old; so in that sense how could thinking ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (jap = jewish american princess, this mythical beast that wants to marry you and once she does you will never have to make a decision ever again)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766248 << sadly the author not here to explain ; the view would be sustainable if one could unearth any portion where he unambiguously refers to the proposed other kind of individualist.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766477 << it's considerably moartragic in light of naggum's biography. he went to usa as a young man because he heard there were individualists there , and joined an aynrand cult , and burned out, came back ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the problem essentially is that there's two kinds of people, one of which wants to be relieved of the burden of thought ; for which purpose they invented the jap before they invented microsoft word.
asciilifeform: i suspect mircea_popescu nailed the orig problem in the old article where 'and then they began to began to imagine that the machines are alive'
mircea_popescu: anyway, essay eventually but not nearly there yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take an apple, see HOW.
mircea_popescu: machine has no relation to the world outside of my mercy.
mircea_popescu: but when i have to tell the machine ~what I want~, as opposed to ~what the world is~, we're lost for sanity.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to excuse me while i make snese of what's actually left under this lid. so far -- not even a proper word for it.
mircea_popescu: it's what plaintext got redefined to mean.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not a very high bar
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that machine is to be an enhancement not a substitute.
asciilifeform: trinque: legend was that germans cut it. and d00d was sent to fix it, but was shot, and as he bled out he put it in his teeth so as to clamp it in death.
mircea_popescu: and this is madness.
mircea_popescu: the ~NECESSARY~ correlate of "don't say faggot, so the dumb that are also gay do not feel excluded" ; "don't say stuff like http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/ lest you discourage the dumb bulk of womanhood from participating" etc is that EVENTUALLY you will come to "change the language every third year so as not to discourage the dumb from inventing"
trinque: what's the story behind pic btw? guy cut the cable, bit to "read" morse by mouth-shock?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 19:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766238 << this is a lot like "oh, handjob-appropriate tools, we have these leftower early sewing machines". no thanks. if i can't edit by hand it's a binary format.i want source.
mircea_popescu: ostile to those who simply did not like your idea to begin with) may be too much for some brittle egos [...] while the Scheme community encourages people to go off and implement their _own_ Scheme, the Common Lisp standard is so big and mature that those who want to reinvent the wheel, or at least a portion of the wheel (like an Arc :), usually fail miserably." ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 09:02 mircea_popescu: nevertheless -- that the "open source" nonsense was made for new jersey and vice-versa (no, it's NOT TRUE "anyone can contribute", holy shit already, what sort of crapsack world is this to be!), that fare is an immature bitchlet has nothing to do with lone programmers, nor with fucking professionalism.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766214 should prolly be in here in original, ie : "In most other language communities, having your ideas rejected is no big deal, because you can come up with another one at little extra cost, but if you spent a year designing something super-clever that you really like and which you have used for a long time seeing it trashed viciously (because you refuse to back down and get increasingly h ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you will never fucking reinvent infinitesimal calculus. for one thing, it's fine as it is (you fuck with it, it get heavy, and you still no hit largest side of barn), and for the other fuck you and your psychological needs. you were born late rather than early, if you don't like it should have been born earlier. invent something else or don't, either way. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:47 asciilifeform: why do anything at all if 'we cannot hope to beat the old greeks' say.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766253 << same reason to do anything at all if we can't hope to overturn bitcoin. what, i'm going to invent periodic numeration systems now so various moderntards can feel euclid ? the idiocy pioneered by pantsuit "computer science" is an absces not a species. it shan't spread to other parts of human culture nor will it manage to hold on to computing, innovation-for-tyhe-sake-of-inca-distrib ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766252 << jews aside, any view which fails to priviledge the past is irrational inescapably. very much a case of "to have idea -- first must not be idiot". the futurists are all to the last man irrecoverable hipster doofuses, fundamentally incapable of distinguishing anything from anything else. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766223 << i parsed the sentence differently --' idiot individualist' implying the existence of 'smart individualist', who is able to make use of a platoon of hands, rather than be crippled by 'committeeism'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766248 << sadly the author not here to explain ; the view would be sustainable if one could unearth any portion where he unambiguously refers to the proposed other kind of individualist. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:35 asciilifeform: if yer ancien regime is vulnerable to revolution, it's rotten.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766245 << certainly, by the time you're open to strep... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:27 asciilifeform: ( it was designed as a general-purpose 'self-describing data' -ikr? - horror , and idea was that it would be edited ~with appropriate tools~ - which unsurprisingly never were invented )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766238 << this is a lot like "oh, handjob-appropriate tools, we have these leftower early sewing machines". no thanks. if i can't edit by hand it's a binary format.i want source. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: ^ sorry, original had wrong title ; apeloyee pointed out.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2017 Statement
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this like the trench warfare pantsuit / respectable man discussing the important (for inca) matter of whether there was or there was not personal loyalty involved in the victory in europe ?
asciilifeform: ^ linked for the pics.
asciilifeform: ople who trusted you, the people that loved you, to some grifter or other. You will be remembered as Adonis-number.'
asciilifeform: 'Irrespective of you, entirely and in all respects, what will happen is that you will meet a grifter and have a child, and that child will be disaster. Pain, sadness, hunger, death and human suffering of proportions strictly commensurate to your "drive", to your "ambition", to the clarity of your "vision" and the purity of your intentions. And we won't care. Nobody will care. You will be remembered as that shill that delivered the pe
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/ << here, i think, it is
mircea_popescu: have the fucking decency to die for another man, not for an imaginary tootpick. a life shouldbe worth at least that much.
mircea_popescu: from here to "we sacrificye for PARTY" is but one step, and it's idiotic step. soviet worked when sacrificed for lenin, for trotsky, for stalin. failed when sacrificed "For party"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're curious, by the way, the origin of the "corporatization" so to speak is that ancient trick from, if i memory serves, dickens (but could be any other pulp copywriter) : that the visible boss prefers to pretend a silent partner is there disallowing the whatever, so he can have both cake and eat it too (ie, comiserate with worker but not indulge worker idiocy).
mircea_popescu: (btw, film's totally worth watching. here, trailer : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX2vr3Qfrpg )
mircea_popescu: which is what the whole "no franchise" thing is all about.
mircea_popescu: hump of bell curve may not come on own terms. or even have terms.
mircea_popescu: the moment the "oh, it's a GOAL", oh, "it's above mere people", oh, it's a "Corporation", you got the rot.
BingoBoingo: If 2 doodz spread the candidiasis while spreading the AIDs
asciilifeform: this is what i meant in 'and then the hump of the bellcurve came for it'.
mircea_popescu: yes, when they decided it is "a goal". there's an exceptional line in mimi, metalurgico ferito nel'onore, where some idiots go "ma figli ce li abbiamo tutti, e c'e chi si fa cazzi di tutti e chi si fa i cazzi suoi!"
asciilifeform: 'adobe' was originally 2 d00dz , iirc ; ditto crapple. the transformation into fungi happened at some later point
BingoBoingo also considered acquiring samovar at the feria today, but decided better. Arepas and baked goods instead.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 02:43 mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign.
asciilifeform: ( is there a technical root of the cancers after all ? or is it simply the 'monkeys inherit the temple, and it doesn't matter how temple was built' phenomenon ? both ? )
asciilifeform: which they.
mircea_popescu: there's however absolutely no reason to put up with them.
asciilifeform: i'm curious re the 'they all grow up into the same thing if given the chance' item.
mircea_popescu: there's a REASON the warcry of the r-selected "new programmer" was "there's no penalty for trying".
mircea_popescu: there is nothing necessary about this cycle of wasteful idiocy. beat your swedish civilised wife whenever she deos the dumb. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: , where the penalty for failure is HUGE, springs up again.
mircea_popescu: the propensiety of K-selected societies to stop beating the dumb wives, and their dumber offspring, permitting puddles of r-defectors to form up (because if no penalty is attached to newjerseysm, newjerseysm becomes very much http://trilema.com/2010/de-ce-sunt-contra-legalizarii-drogurilor/ style mandatory ) ; then K-selected society collapses under the cost of ever growing afr-ican americans, and then, in the new environment
asciilifeform: all things are born, flower, wither, die.
asciilifeform: i dun have a mechanized pill against this.
asciilifeform: then the hump of the bellcurve came for it.
asciilifeform: i dunno that this is false. but seems to resemble what i said re revolutions killing civilizations -- that errything senesces , bloats, dies in the end.
mircea_popescu: which is why discussion with electrum (or any other such tardism) isn't (as the pantsuit aggitators try to make it) carried "on the technical merits". it will be carried in the terms of "those involved are not people, may not touch keyboards, cut their hands and gouge their eyes out".
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 14:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pdf is a graphics format ( and a quite horrifying one, a corruption of postscript, recall ) not a text. so not the right warcrime for comparison for the french thing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766236 << pdf had a very similar "xml-like" containerized notation in the early days adobe was trying to push it on the world. this is what the problems with these samovars is : whether named adobe or olivetti, they're still samovars, and deducing one is harmless because it never got to grow up is at best naive. they all grow up into the same thing if given the chance ; so never give them an ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ie, an expectation of ideals, which is to say that ideas may be single or coherent.
asciilifeform: that is one of the more painful kinds of glue trap.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it was, at that.
asciilifeform: it was their 'plain text' , lel
mircea_popescu: now that's a simple if incoherent idea!
mircea_popescu: epicycles are the idea that "i justwant to", which is neither single nor coherent. it is however a simple and comfortable idea.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-07 16:44 esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform)
esthlos: o course, like you have been saying asciilifeform, it's epicycles. but at least epicycles are a single coherent idea! (i.e. fourier transform)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has quit (Read error << where's that shortwave!111
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform for example has been quietly experimenting with subj since the 1st 'tabs' thread.
mircea_popescu: now it's in the logs.
asciilifeform: this is the mega-q.
mircea_popescu: i guess the above was #1 ; but in more general form : how would a PSTP ("plaintext" sexpr transport protocol) actually look ? ie, use sexpr to deliver the above required property.
mircea_popescu: as the astute reader may have guessed, the plaintext revelation sent /me on an emergency reread of many ancient things.
asciilifeform: not yet done the necessary archaeological dig, to find whether d00d was on to The Right Thing or notquite.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall a handshake of this sort. but many years.
asciilifeform: now this i cannot say.
mircea_popescu: was his sdif sexpr in this sense ?
asciilifeform: sexpr is even quicker for 'throw out unwanted element' than ye olde txt, can do in O(1)
asciilifeform: plaintextism is insiduously wrongthing. there is nothing 'intrinsically clean' about stream of 7bit teletypolade.
mircea_popescu: if i don't get the topstruct and if i can't throw out any up to n-1 elements out of n on my own time, it's broken.
asciilifeform: how 'picture' ended up a gnarly hack on top of 'streams of text', rather than an uninteresting and harmless 'yet another possible sexpr' is separate item.
mircea_popescu: "move to the city"
mircea_popescu: "jam -- tomorrow"
mircea_popescu: "get the whole thing before you see what's inside" ie "do not do the thing everyone does to republican log -- parse". that IS what inca is.
mircea_popescu: it's EXACTLY the "strlen is now O(fuckyou)".
mircea_popescu: "can have pictures in the stream"
asciilifeform: where's the necessary inca element in compressing a highly redundant turd before moving it ?
mircea_popescu: no. that's thge superficial analysis. it trades sense for inca, like any urbanism.
asciilifeform: ( trades cpu time for bandwidth, like any other compressor )