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mircea_popescu: "After fifteen years in the design industry and realising the only difference between sitting in front of
a computer facilitating client's requests and kneeling on the urine soaked floor of
a truck stop bathroom giving five dollar blowjobs to men named Chuck, is the amount of urine on the floor, the Jumping Frog fee has evolved from insurance against post-project client suggestion to client incentive to have somebody e
trinque: that's certainly so, that you either pick
a sane table structure, or you write terrible queries
mircea_popescu: for some reason these all sound to me like "the problems we get for having
a bad db design"
trinque: "because SQL" << and now we're back to me writing
a CL RDBMS
trinque: and actually you're going to end up looking at SQL ASTs to figure out where
a column came from
trinque: mircea_popescu: the mismatch I was referring to was the object-relational-mapper; it cannot for example (easily, or usably) create
a new object which is the synthesis of n other objects done by inner join
mircea_popescu: trinque can i get "this" and "that" comparisons of the actual thing ? "ceci n'est pas une pipe" "this is not
a pipe" sort of thing
trinque: myeah, that thing is
a sin
trinque: the usefulness of this declarative mode is I think as you describe, "get me
a that" damn it, because I want one.
trinque: mircea_popescu │ kakobrekla no but seriously, i'm at least partly here to learn, so what functionality is it ? like
a good example. << this I think calls for careful steps and
a machete
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no but seriously, i'm at least partly here to learn, so what functionality is it ? like
a good example.
jurov: i'm okay with sql. but when programatically constructing
a query, i prefer sqlalchemy
trinque: kakobrekla: it is amusing though, yes, that this that was originally intended to be
a user interface got buried as it did
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I write raw queries
a few times
a week
mircea_popescu: i really have no idea why i'd want
a language on top of that. what's it going to do ?
kakobrekla: <trinque> SQL also, "lets make
a language for accountants and other non-programmers" < yet is anyone still writing raw queries in this day?
mircea_popescu: as far as her dumb ass is concerned, the best possible train is
a ghetto blaster with the volume welded to low, playing christmas carrols from under the mirrors-ensconced speakers.
trinque: they at (the very) least made something of
a double-back somewhere along the language's history
trinque: SQL also, "lets make
a language for accountants and other non-programmers"
mircea_popescu: anyway, again not sure why this isn't obvious, but the alphabet is (still is, in spite of all the "help" geeks gave it)
a defined, closed, easily countable set.
gribble: Error: "#128077;" is not
a valid command.
jurov: adding
a meaning for
a word that already has zillion of other meanings, instead of using dedicated symbol is NOT reducing complexity
mircea_popescu:
a lot more to do with the brilliant idea of "use these letters and fuck you and your ugly mother."
mircea_popescu: there is
a fucking reason white people are better than all the other people, and it has jack shit to do with the skin.
mircea_popescu:
a) none of these derps know any maths and b) i do and somehow survive. if you need
a particular notation to do maths either you're not very good or are trying to talk to idiots.
mircea_popescu shudders at the thought he actually had to "turn
a page" every 1k bytes.
mircea_popescu: "hosting fees are expensive" my foot. they're only expensive because "oh i just wanna be
a designer" all over the place.
mircea_popescu: punkman i just went in
a cycle asking "then why the fuck are they not calling it .txt" and answering myself the line above to shinohai and now i feel
a little queasy.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i meant abstraction in the sense of software that composes small tools into larger units that...operate at
a higher level of abstraction.
mircea_popescu: (there's
a very good reason they keep going on with cow and dog are animal. there was
a great paper in the log about "you know what, just change your chosen names to hashes, see if teh system appears to be doing as much "understanding" as it did before.)
mircea_popescu: (what apparently nobody wants to mention is that the "good" oop now corrupted by teh evil orcs was really
a child of desperation. pretty much born out of the mit through c-section, in the classical sense)
mircea_popescu: i don't think we mean the same by abstraction. it's not
a sort of cool. it's basically purification.
ben_vulpes: because
a corpus through which one can grep exists, the forum can on an ongoing basis can communicate ever more abstractly?
mircea_popescu: the fundamental point of the written word is that allows
a certain sort of abstraction. it's "escapism" in
a particular sense.
phf: it's actually from latin caesura, which is now used as the name of pause in
a poem. i thought caesarean section comes from that, but wikipedia article has
a very confusing "etymology" section so i don't even know what to believe anymore!
phf: but nice thing about log, can talk без купюр, get called out. otherwise it's of little relevance what sort of education phds get or what you can buy at
a bookstore. we're sort of long on the same page that status quo is subpar
mircea_popescu: ie, "wouldn't the strange woman in the train made
a great wife"
mircea_popescu: (ie, we don't even know the sore spots of say kay objects, mostly because they never got
a chance to be found mostly because idiots came and covered everything)
mircea_popescu: on top of which, i suspect there's
a large chunk of "strange woman" in all this also.
phf:
a lot of "expected" oop behaviors like objects owning methods, synchronous bidirectional messaging that is equivalent to
a procedure call, extreme early binding, etc. are artifacts of implementation and optimization strategies, as such they don't have meaning, don't have "real world" correspondence and just are. building taxonomies on such
a shaky theoretical foundation results in
a very messy thinking
phf: funkenstein_: alan kay's objects communicate with each other by sending messages. this is the approach taken explicitly in smalltalk, flavors (one of the lisp machine lisps), objective-c. the idea was inspired by john mccarthy's earlier concept of agents, intelligent systems that engage into q/
a sessions with
a user.
a concurrent take on the same idea is called actors model and is implemented in erlang (and
a bunch of other languages,
BingoBoingo: That thing seems to make quite
a few appearances
funkenstein_: so here's
a fun one: take yi yi zhi yi and add
a "fen" in the middle: yi yi fen zhi yi
ben_vulpes: teaching OOP with models that "reflect the real world" instead of the programming environment is bad pedagogy and does
a massive disservice to anyone who endures it.
phf: just because you can do it, doesn't give it meaning. in fact that sort of attempts at ontology result in
a lot of bad code. (not to mention that they are doomed to failure, e.g. semantic web)
BingoBoingo: Gotta remember ISIS is also
a group of teenage boys
mircea_popescu: shooter, the fastest runner, big league ball players, the toughest boxers. Americans love
a winner and will not tolerate
a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give
a hoot in hell for
a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and never will lose
a war, because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans."
mircea_popescu: "...Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won
a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country. Men, all this stuff you've heard about America not wanting to fight - wanting to stay out of the war, is
a lot of horse dung. Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble
mircea_popescu: not that this is
a bad approximation in any sense. but, contiguity is too juicy to have.
mircea_popescu: it is altogether dubious that brownian motion is
a stochastic process.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu got
a torrent for that flick?
mircea_popescu: "i'm writing
a book as
a fallback plan in case i go broke". 14 yo.
kakobrekla: linton_s_dawson pick
a price and ill arbitrage it
mircea_popescu: this question is
a lot less theoretical than it seems, seeing how eulora.
mircea_popescu: this is
a question to be answered by that community neh ?