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mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 12:04:34 mp_en_viaje: you said "my place is ordained here" i asked who ordained. you said "priests". this begs the question, why are you here ?
mp_en_viaje: i'm not against nsa paying fair market value for the things, if you want them ; but fair MARKET value, not alf-value where he insanely calls things maxint and worthless according to the elucubrative needs of his deranged mental processes, which somehow manage to produce http://archive.is/qLu5P time and time and time again (and even notices this), but no substantial change.
mp_en_viaje: this is why renting costs more than ownership, precisely and specifically this : that the owner's stuck with the risks of owning.
mp_en_viaje: more importantly, what the fuck, we paid DC prices to rent machines so that pizarro could have a book, now we also buy them back so pizarro doesn't have a downside ? what the fuck is this, training for failure ?
mp_en_viaje: what value does it generate ? is it a good deal for nsa, to trade half a bitcoin for a coupla used dc machines, even leaving aside how these eminently constitute what asciilifeform knows to be called "surplus", through the process he oft described in logs of buying stuff for pennies ?
mp_en_viaje: so the discussion will absolutely be carried in terms of "is this generating value for nsa shareholders", not "will mp be persuaded".
mp_en_viaje: it did not work for the original latino whores ; it did not work for dpb, "oh, ima call myself a republican but really, what i'm interested in is remarkably stupid sterlie shit". not worked for phf idem exactly, and will not work fucking generally.
mp_en_viaje: and in general, this purely latino whore style of "i don't mind what they call it for as long as i can keep doing exactly the fuck it was i was gonna do anyway" dun werk.
mp_en_viaje: it's not "s.nsa is a thing for as long as i can carry on doing what i fucking feel like i doing, but should that become untenable it can just dissipate into thin air".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:53:16 asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942134 << thinking of this, on one hand i dislike the informalism. it's not "mp will accept these back", s.nsa is an actual person, exactly as much as you are, and doesn;t suddenly dissolve just because you don't particularly like the way things played out. the whole story of "oh, do X or you'll die" was, throughout, backed by exactly this backstop. this is the piper, this is how you
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:34 mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942922 - certainly need materials and yes, I think mod6 would do a great job annotating the trb code and generally getting it moving again.
diana_coman: ftr I consider FFA mandatory for #o & rather entry level at that but so far people still need to excavate selves to get to that entry level even.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942950 - ty asciilifeform !
asciilifeform: all dc in immediate 50km around asciilifeform , appear to have gone 'usg-only'.
trinque: make sure to encrypt to their key and sign with yours, of course
trinque: feel free to dump the whole uy1 wad there, and I can get folks ssh access to their stuff.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One last thing. We had a neighbor installed later than us. That rack is now all air dams without boxes.
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 19 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8O_Y << Notes on the recovery
mod6: BingoBoingo: Got your message, thanks for your work. Yeah, go get some rest, I'll msg ya again tomorrow. Cheers!
asciilifeform: get'em tomorrow. nao rest.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: asciilifeform Well there's the FG inside whatever boxes have them
asciilifeform: seems like all the primo irreplaceables -- already out , and in BingoBoingo's hands nao.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dont break yourself. i strongly suspect the contents will be there still tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thought popped in on getting the handcart in and out without asking for the special cart door priviledge, but will have to wait for daylight.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo for the sweat.
BingoBoingo to take a short walk with the back unloaded before turning in.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Not including the databases, it was around 35 GB iirc. Will go down with tar.gz, but uncertain how much
asciilifeform: oh neat, ty trinque . will depend on how much folx weigh. may have to do 1-2 at a time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This little machine will take time to produce the tarballs.
trinque: how much space do you need for the whole drop?
BingoBoingo: trinque: working on a place to put tarballs. If you have a place you want me to sftp it, I can GPGgram my ssh pubkey
trinque: cool, thanks BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: trinque: BingoBoingo spent day w/ wheelbarrow to remove irons from meltdown zone, i expect soon will have tarballs.
trinque: blog tarball can be had? eta?
asciilifeform: ok trinque . then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/... and iron auctions. ( after all else finish )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He's got two crematory type disks and to spinning rusts along with a spare spinning rust
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mod6 http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8O_Y << Notes on the recovery
trinque: can, or trashed. I don't tend to put sensitive items on webservers.
asciilifeform: then to auctionblock re the rest of it. but fg to trinque .
trinque: the rest isn't worth the cost of shipping out
asciilifeform: aha ha. then trinque plox to gpg re where it wants to live.
trinque: I wouldn't mind having the fg when it can be arranged, actually.
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . can also look up by what his price was, if it's == colo + fg, then was our fg.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do that lookup however, later
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will do the lookup. That information's going to be in what survives of the ancient GPGmessNotes
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 00:14:17 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: before piz lost shirt twice. so far most of what learned is 'electrified fence around zone, hurts' )
trinque: I've been part of plenty of failed business ventures, know the burn.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: trinque's box contains FG. look up whether personal ( in which case must be posted to him ) or piz's plox
BingoBoingo: Evening trinque
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . and wb trinque
BingoBoingo: Rest of the usb-ttyls out along with misc adapters
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 2. do you want another employee ? he's hardworking and learns fast if not particularly well versed right now ; some kind of apprenticeship is probably on the table.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942223 << It's been a busy day, but thank you mp for asking if I forgot to issue thanks before
trinque: brb, moving my bouncer to another box.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942747 << yep, I pulled in the stylesheet from my blog on several other items. I'll get it backed out if I can't get the latest copy of my blog soon.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 14:34:28 BingoBoingo: Trinque's recent post had me reevaluating the dietary situation and adjusting. I'd been taking it for granted Milk is rich in Vitamin D, etc only to discover... The locals throw some folic acid in flour y Ya! After making some dietary adjustments the last few weeks of winter were less "blah" burdened than te preceeding.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940717 << I never noticed I was depressed from the lack until the lack was satisfied for the first time. I think this is general wisdom.
trinque: I can arrange to have an sftp destination for the contents.
trinque: I'd like a final backup of my uy1 web dir, blog and w/e else is in there.
trinque: if indeed we're scuttling piz, BingoBoingo may have the hardware I sent on bv's run as a gift.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 22:19:09 mod6: Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942856 << in my case, I *think* I have all the backups I need. I had the presence of mind to run my backup script of auctionbot data and blog dump when I logged in for final time. There is always a chance I forgot something or dump is corrupt, etc. Will find out in the coming days once heathen replacement comes online
lobbes: And the rest of my boxen are VPSen, which just suck in general for most things
lobbes: asciilifeform: main reason for not wanting to host it on usg box is mainly because logger is also running on there and a) don't want too many eggs in one basket and b) don't want too many things interfacing with same postgres database (since actionbot is on top of logbot which also logs every line, and I dunno if this will slow things down or what. I like the idea of segregating them in this sense)
lobbes: enjoy the meats fellas
mod6: Alright folks, I gotta get some meat going here. But I'll be checking back if you need me. Otherwise, will be back around tomorrow.
asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik auctionbot contains no seekritz (other than fleanode pw for itself) so in principle could live ~anywhere
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942833 << btw, I've snagged another leased server from some singapore heathen hoster. Once they provision the thing and give login info then auctionbot will live again. However, if it is desperately needed in the meantime I can slap it up on the usg hoster as a stop-gap measure
asciilifeform: mod6: imho this is 1 of those cases where 'the spring is no good w/out the ratchet, or the ratchet -- w/out the spring' .
asciilifeform: but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.)
asciilifeform: mod6: imho this , important -- what good is 'ref impl.' if no one understands it, or why even exists. i dun actually disagree w/ mp re 'needs public tentacles'.
mod6: This I've sort-of applied to the sense that for actual humans, which we can sift-the-sand for, tbf/tmsr can cultivate bitcoin literacy.
mod6: "'To the working planetologist, his most important tool is human beings,' his father said. 'You must cultivate ecological literacy among the people.'"
asciilifeform: imho it was a much better 'have-read' world to play in head with, than 'to-read' per se, 1 of those.
mod6: I'm totally in the middle of Dune.
mod6: And mentioned that if he wants to, he can stop by for a nomination to the co-chair.
mod6: Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder.
mod6: Ah! Tight.
asciilifeform: mod6: diana_coman has eaten all of the material to date.
asciilifeform: i do not know whether diana_coman is still taking people into her school, but for a ffa n00b it is imho a very desirable school.
mod6: Yeah, she's pretty deep into the chapters iirc.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: if you start to study ffa, dun hesitate to ask asciilifeform to help as you go in. << will do!
asciilifeform: but again this is only interesting if one's building a '100% trb-compat' in e.g. ada.
asciilifeform: even the 'der' parser, i presently have nfi how worx.
asciilifeform: for this, the biggest afaik hole in what is known, is how the idjit ssl-guts crypto stack operates.
asciilifeform: is only relevant to people who want to build trb-compat. mechanism from ground.
asciilifeform: mod6: importantly, tho, most of this horror aint relevant to 'trbi'
asciilifeform: or... i've a bunch of these.
asciilifeform: or, to take another, what will happen if a 'nonfinal' tx is again mined ?
mod6: Lot's of questions need to be asked such as this, and their answers, ugly or not, need to be found.
asciilifeform: to take 1 example, is there a max reorg depth that still worx as expected ?
mod6: I would agree with you on that. In this chamber, I do find quite a depth of knowledge. It is, however, spread across a handful of people.
asciilifeform: mod6: i dare to say that no one 100% comprehends (not the protocol per se, i comprehend) but the entire behaviour space of the proggy per se.
mod6: Materials for study are necessary, and the logs yield quite a tale, but something consolidated would help.
mod6: Yeah, for TRB/TRBi to improve, or take form, one needs to fully comprehend what it is we have, this thing called 'bitcoin'.
asciilifeform: the heathens sorta tried to do this, but in the usual heathen way simply shat in their pants.