asciilifeform: can offer item that doesn't fit + is sanely speccable ?
asciilifeform: let's revisit thread - what part of 'fits in head, and speccable, or doesn't-fit-in-head, unspeccable, t. non d.' does mircea_popescu disagree with ?
asciilifeform: aha, was making 'naked' assertion. this is better ?
asciilifeform: or is it somewhere written that mircea_popescu gets to bring in these cartoons and nobody else does.
asciilifeform: and the 'mathgeniusboy' with his udders is not a same caricature ?
asciilifeform: 'i won't answer because there is not an answer that doesn't rupture my argument' lolk.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from which sheet would you read to herr knuth ?
asciilifeform: if this is not clear, i do not know how to help, perhaps somebody else ought to try.
asciilifeform: the other fundamental aspect, other than 'nothing-to-allcomers' is that synchronous comms over lossy media (e.g. radio) do not work well. the thing that works well is 'i'll pour a bucket of luby in your direction, and you - in mine.'
asciilifeform: i.e. if A has to ~ask~ B something and wait for a reply every time they communicate, it violates nothing-to-allcomers.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i stand by my assertion that a synchronous (if you don't know what this means, look it up) carrier is unsuitable for gossipd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it ~would~ be a considerably easier job if you answered the q, which is, do you want a description of the thing on all possible physical carriers (radio, pigeon, ip, telex, ...) or just particulars. and if so, which.
asciilifeform: (and to an extent, those who have indirect contact, generals, also)
asciilifeform: it is the domain of things everyone who has direct contact with the battlefield is expected to understand.
asciilifeform: 'матчасть' (contraction of, approx, 'material part') is a military term of art, refers to, e.g., how far a ru 120mm howitzer shoots when pointed at 45deg, vs 'how do we make a pincer'☟︎
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i won't touch a tcp 'gossipd'
asciilifeform: and that (b) means either being retarded (services built on tcp, such as www and irc) or some variation on udp.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i'm not yet entirely certain if mircea_popescu understands that the choices on the table are strictly a) use radio b) use ip c) lay own oceanic fiber.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: all it means is that you need a patched kernel to send and receive.
asciilifeform: the fundamental mistake of 'spec by gcc' is to consider a large computer program as an ideal object.
asciilifeform: just as folks allergic to cat often do not know that they are in fact allergic to a certain parasitic mite that lives in the animal's fur.
asciilifeform: granted, these have gone together inseparably for the entire history of programming.
asciilifeform: this is why i suspect that folks such as mircea_popescu are not allergic to the idea of a program specifying a concept, but of a concept that CAN ONLY BE specified by THIS HERE PROGRAM
