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gabriel_laddel: I've been healthy before, but it sucks
gabriel_laddel: well, that is a fair point, but I don't want to e.g., lose weight.
gabriel_laddel: I'll go with "I treat my body like shit, and do pretty well "
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I don't know.
punkman: mircea_popescu: dunno, I remember being too drunk to fuck at 17 or whatever
gabriel_laddel: And this is sort of what I'm getting at - people differ greatly. Modafinil doesn't work for me, some people can't take caffine before bed, some people can't drink and have sex (MP's eugenics article) and some can.
punkman: I've taken modafinil before sleep a couple times, to make sure I'd wake up for a flight
mircea_popescu: in operational terms, i was as excited as you were, apparently.
mircea_popescu: i slept through it too.
gabriel_laddel: that I should take the broomstick approach?
gabriel_laddel: how on *earth* am I supposed to read this?
gabriel_laddel: but all of this is solved when I take a pill - not just a caffine pill - but a coffee extract?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I enjoyed the fuck out of going to buy $CENSORED and was really excited about it, but ended up sleeping through the allotted time.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see your point about education 100% at this moment.
trinque: I enjoyed the fuck out of winning at that game so I did
gabriel_laddel: and all of this is solved by taking a pill before I go to sleep
gabriel_laddel: and even with people screaming at me, I still missed things
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you're missing my point, or I'm not stating it correctly. I've missed things I care deeply about because of sleep
trinque: gabriel_laddel: this sounds like "I should've given a fuck" not "I gave a fuck"
trinque: to be grinning with a "fuck you" to the sergeant that'd come busting into my room screaming hoping I was still asleep
trinque: and I went to a few pretend military camps in the summer and woke up myself every morning while there
trinque: except I didn't give a fuck to, and my mother woke me up with breakfast and all my shit ready to go
trinque: yeah I "never could wake up" as a teenager either
gabriel_laddel: trinque: people have screamed things of this nature at me when I would miss the little school I went to
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you'd think that. but I've missed events I *really* wanted to attend because I wouldn't wake
trinque: if you're bitching about waking up in the morning I think you haven't suffered enough
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I've lived with myself for 23 years, and have at no point been able to wake up sanely. I try it with these caffine pills and et viola! I wake up like a normal human!
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I don't know what this "being a man" stuff is about
trinque: the reason I mentioned it is that you are so sure of your model of yourself
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I'm not really sure how this relates to me.
gabriel_laddel: I've tried setting alarms, getting enough sleep etc.
gabriel_laddel: I understand the point you're making, but simply don't find that it applies to my situation.
gabriel_laddel: I would lol if it wasn't your uncle.
mircea_popescu: i had an uncle.
gabriel_laddel: with easyup: 20 minutes and I'm chipper
gabriel_laddel: othewise I wake up and hate myself, am unable to open my eyes etc ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: look, there are some things that I *know* make my body work better
gabriel_laddel: I know more than they do.
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise << no you don't. this is like the ridiculous notion of teenagers that they'll make a car "better".
gabriel_laddel: "I am the guy who coded for 40 hrs" < ?
trinque: fascinating, I didn't say it was for that
gabriel_laddel: lol, I'm not doing it for other people
trinque: "I am the guy that coded for 40 hrs."
gabriel_laddel: and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise
trinque: both I'd say
gabriel_laddel: trinque: for example, the modafinil that I've taken works great for other people.
trinque: those may be different chemistry; I'm still chewing on the article as I said!
gabriel_laddel: oh, and without coffee I get distracted.
gabriel_laddel: I don't have ideas that I would consider interesting.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: in part. It's also that I'm just not interested or excited about life without coffee.
trinque: I drink coffee yes, for the high, but this does not prevent me from reading otherwise
gabriel_laddel: trinque: the problem I have with being coffee-free isn't the stress, but rather that I miss having my thoughts race around
trinque: I'm at a cup a day now, fine
trinque: I've quit it entirely before, feels like shit, but a lot of the "stress" I was feeling back then was the several cups of coffee per day I was drinking.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: to be clear, I've done this.
trinque: my only point is I wouldn't self diagnose "I need meds" before dropping your caffeine to zero, seeing where you're at
gabriel_laddel: I've been burnt out on coke and hating life, but never have had this effect.
gabriel_laddel: I'm not. It's just... odd.
trinque: yeah I've been fucked up on drugs before too bud
gabriel_laddel: and this goes away completely when I don't drink a lot of coffee
gabriel_laddel: with coffee there are all sorts of weird things: like whenever I have a bike pass me by, I sort of envision it running into me.
trinque: one of my favorite drugs, I'll have you know
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you're right. I've not even read the article yet.
gabriel_laddel: This is fucking nonsense. I *cannot* will myself to get up in the morning after 23 years of never having to.
trinque: mircea_popescu | http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/08/no_one_likes_a_sure_thing.html << I've been chewing on this for the last few hours. There's a lot here. gabriel_laddel, it would seem that not only could you will yourself focus, but *generally* will yourself anything from the possible mental states.
mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i do recall i also said about smoking.
mircea_popescu: "I. Ersteklasse. Crema a ceea ce poate oferi natura, icrele cele mai bune, din care in principiu un cetatean, oricit de bogat s-ar gasi, are totusi a consuma cantitati limitate, dintr-un motiv foarte simplu : daca nu alternezi cu produse inferioare te vei obisnui, si-apoi te vei deprima. Oamenii inteligenti le gusta lunar si traiesc fericiti pina la adinci batrineti."
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/caviarul-si-fata/ < one i was thinking of.
mircea_popescu: i sometimes repeat myself.
asciilifeform: there was one about how to smoke, i distincly recally.
gabriel_laddel: I asked someone who was around, he claims that he "couldn't distinguish it from coffee"
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i got benzadrine otc here. asked for cyclobenzapyrine, derp showed up with benzos.
mats: when I was apparently too exhausted, or perhaps took an insubstantial dosage
mats: asciilifeform: I believe, have done so on a few occasions
gabriel_laddel: I'm rather envious of the 50s. You could get benzedrine otc, and it was widely used by e.g., Norbert Wiener
mircea_popescu: i just had the girls lined up with their mouths open while i swore as to the various aspects
trinque: no but I will now want to search it out
mats: e.g. distracting euphoria, I could still sleep while on the tail end of a 100mg dosage 7-8hrs in
trinque: I would wager this is more to do with "wow, this is what a smart person must feel like" and thereby actually doing some work than the effect of the chemical.
mats: I liked moda because it was, for me, an adderall without the negative effects,
gabriel_laddel: mats: I'm curious as to why you're curious as to BB's opinion?
mats: I mostly used it to retain cognitive power and wakefulness for studying binges and v late nights
mircea_popescu: "take this pill, it simulates taking a piss" "or i could... take a piss ?" "yes, of course".
asciilifeform: no i mean literally NOTHING
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's probable. i have a poor reaction to many of these.
asciilifeform: and i bet mats knows why.
mats: but I'll give it a go, soon as I acquire a hot plate
mats: the most experience I've had with testing chemicals is using various reagents to ensure I was consuming actual mdma
mats: I know next to nothing about chemistry
gabriel_laddel: I'm an addict, what can I say.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I agree with you, but the *amount of work* I get done when caffinated, and the amount of fun I have doing it makes it simply impossible to do otherwise.
mats: guess it's a good thing I've only consumed a few dozen of em
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I simply don't understand what you're saying.
asciilifeform: last i checked, every spamarmacy is actually shipping indian adrafinil, which rots the liver.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel it's a paradoxical thing, what can i say.
mats: well, if you'd like to try non racemics, guess I'll shill mymodafinil.com and its armodafinil
gabriel_laddel: but I dislike being 'sober'.
gabriel_laddel: furthermore, I have actually quit coffee now, twice.
mircea_popescu: honestly, if i actually needed some substance to think i would probably drop everything and go shoot bears for a while.
gabriel_laddel: my thoughts get all disjointed, but then again, I've only tried the racemic stuff