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mircea_popescu: this is a gate that dun belong open.
asciilifeform: this is how the problem is traditionally solved.
mircea_popescu: so we end up with a make that alters code ?
asciilifeform: what you can do, is either a) operate bitwise, ffa-style. b) mandate an endianism for the data format. and since you know the endianism of the machine you're building on, in particular build, you know whether the machine's is opposite or same as the data's.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you can't 'check endianism', you gotta know from where the input came to know its endianism
diana_coman: I suppose the "patch" would be to check endianism at runtime and use the correct constants as it were; I ...still don't see why should I have endianism in there to start with
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Endianness - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness>; Network byte order and host byte order - IBM: <https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSB27U_6.4.0/com.ibm.zvm.v640.kiml0/asonetw.htm>; Unix Socket Network Byte Orders - TutorialsPoint: <https://www.tutorialspoint.com/unix_sockets/network_byte_orders.htm>
asciilifeform: this problem was a serious headache for the tcp/ip people, they solved it mircea_popescu-style, 'fuckyou and errything going over the wire is to be bigendian' (at the time, bigendianism dominated in 'serious' iron)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: all of this being said, if you can guarantee that the endianism of the input matches the endianism of the roundconstants -- you get correct answer. otherwise not.
asciilifeform: ( it was written, recall, not in empty space but for usg's contest. and 1 of the demands was 'not much slower than older hashes' )
asciilifeform: sorta like how ffacalc works ( observe that it does exactly same thing on all possible endianisms , even 'middle endian' ( yes exists ))
asciilifeform: nao you could try to derive a keccak' , where it aint..
asciilifeform: because of the way keccak is defined, the input is operated on wordwise
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as your proggy is currently written, it is only sensitive to endianism mismatch between the inputs and the endianism of the machine on which your proggy was built ( i.e. in which the round constants are stored ). this is not curable at the program level .
diana_coman: b. input is a stream of bits; depending on whether you consider that big/little, it will go to different bits of the state
diana_coman: if I understand correctly what you mean by that, yes; basically to start with: I'm not sure that a. as it currently stands you'll get same hash for same input on little vs big endian
asciilifeform: diana_coman: is your current hypothesis that the iota operator is endianized ?
diana_coman: I know, I wrote them to not be
diana_coman: not quite same thing, no
asciilifeform: same thing neh
mircea_popescu: diana_coman doesn't know that she doesn't have one.
mircea_popescu: but in practice, it turns out i get ffa and other things, because my friends love me even more than i love myself.
asciilifeform: aite, mircea_popescu gets a 1bit bus and 4096b rsa op takes 25 years.
mircea_popescu: there will be a bit and not more. the possibility of " and a machine word = bus size" went away when they failed to implement it correctly.
mircea_popescu: fuck that. i do not set any knobs or put them in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the basic problem of 'how wide apart the rails on the railroad' doesn't go away , regardless of what you set the knobs to
mircea_popescu: it turns out, check this inept shit out, IT TURNS OUT that the ACTUAL REASON why "characters are not bytes" is actually and in point of fact BECAUSE BYTES ARENT ANYTHING.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this part i cannot cure , hashing as it stands is an exercise in voodoo
mircea_popescu: i am of a very good mind to forbid non-concepts like "byte" in computing in the first place.
diana_coman: but I admit I am not 100% at ease that all the scramblings result in same thing; and moreover yes, I don't see the reason WHY it should be there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to make it unexist, gotta understand what it is
mircea_popescu: because "important " != "mioptrna t".
mircea_popescu: ti si mioptrna t for the fucking idiocy to not exist in the first place
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm, that was my initial approach: as long as all of them are stored same endianness theoretically the bits fit correctly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is important to grasp what endiannessism IS
diana_coman: I will just store them as array of bits
diana_coman: asciilifeform, constants are stored as numbers on 64 bits at the moment
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not necessarily so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the damned constants
diana_coman: next week's version of the sponge will be changed so that it works at bit level *everywhere*, idiotic constants included
asciilifeform: diana_coman: waitasec : what makes you think that your keccak is sensitive to endianness ?
diana_coman: the trouble with current version is that it's still messed up by endianness (the keccak constants are 64 bit *values* rather than bit streams)
diana_coman: phf, the newly published chapter 7 in eucrypt is the keccak sponge but it turns out that I'll still change it from inside out for next week
spyked: mircea_popescu: sent a couple of pingbacks to trilema, seems to have worked (though I don't see them, it might be that they're currently in the moderation queue). output and script at http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LZVEr/?raw=true lemme know if they show up anywhere in your wp
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775994 << thanks hanbot. I'll grab this and try to press with it starting with version 99994. We'll see what happens. If all is well, then will also try version 99993. ☝︎
shinohai: Or does it just redirect to random article when item isn't found?
shinohai: lol mircea_popescu ... broken image link goes to an article!!!! http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/image074.jpeg
mircea_popescu now gets to spend whole morning as best case scenario figuring out what the holy shit happened.
mircea_popescu: plox if anyone ever notices missing images / broken links / whatever in trilema say something, this isn't supposed to occur.
mircea_popescu: sooo i just discovered i somehow am missing tyhe images in http://trilema.com/2015/fuck-you-and-your-stupid-epub-also-david-thornes-2nd-book-it-isnt-really-very-good/ ?!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not proposing here that romania is somehow respectable or has a clue ; or that X random dork is my butt buddy now. all i'm saying is, "look yonder in the reservation for mongoloids of this particular orc breed, the pantsuit kid is getting his head punched in!"
mircea_popescu: comes from vadim's corner, at that.
diana_coman: I guess that might make him more sincere than the others but not in any discernible way a better option as far as I can see
diana_coman: ugh, that codrin stefanescu was at some point with glorious ideas ~="all I care about is that my family is doing well, the rest doesn't matter"
BingoBoingo: After the first, figured a short wait after the first trade would be a test of gossip speed. Curious if news of a gringo spreads and all. Or if they have a club, etc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo something like that yeah.
mircea_popescu: cool, make a post when they're all done.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Lining some more up over the weekend.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> here's one example : he calls it "the most serene republic of bitcoin", which was the style at the time. but in practice we omit the bitcoin part most often than not don't we. << If I recall there was a moment somewhere involving miner retardation where there was a discussion of the necessary subordination of Bitcoin to the Republic. Bitcoin's need of a republic is not necessarily reciprocated and all.
mircea_popescu: done with teh local tradings ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 00:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : they're getting $7150, should cover whatever fees / maybe a little leftover. 0.63202778 goes on your books on the right side.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775879 << Gracias, it is in the ledger. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (the sheer ridoinculousness of this, where usg has managed to recrearte for it in 2018 the situation of thje ottoman empire in 1878 is something everyone's quite pointedly invited to meditate upon. PANTSUITISM DOES NOT WORK, and stop asking women. anything.)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 00:09 mircea_popescu: will eat my left foot will eat. legions do not cross the rubicon because the "emperor" knows full well they'll join the barbarians the next night.
mircea_popescu: i do not expect us army could actually come out of a field encounter with ro army as things stand right now ; but then again http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1775860 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: well sure. as you sit there right now typing at me, mosquitoes try to mosquitoize you, staph tries to staph you and so on.
asciilifeform: i meant attempted ukrization, rather than necessarily that particular result. but yes
mircea_popescu: but to be resolved by the group in question, neither i nor putin nor whatever papie mache in washington is going to decide this for them.
mircea_popescu: whether "a nation" is actually unfit to exist, rather a political figment than a substantial thing ; or on the contrary quite apt to live and thrive and with things yet to say ; or finally long exhausted and entirely dedicated by now to programatic laziness and the comfort seeking of senescence is an open problem
mircea_popescu: conceivably. there's a few options : ukraine went one way ; turkey went another way ; and greece went yet a third way.
mircea_popescu: "oh, corrupt politicians & terrorists stole our moneyz" and so on.
mircea_popescu: understand how this works : usg comes to buy an apple for $1000 because it imagines it'll pay $1000 to itself and get an apple. then it turns out it can't take the $1000 and gets butthurt.
asciilifeform: eh aint the cia torture palace and usg naval base still open there ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, fighting the wars of yesterday. used to be, in yonder prehistory before republican times, that secret service ~= victory.
shinohai: I like waking up to good news!
mircea_popescu: shinohai basically it's "for as long as your secret service powered nonsense gets 2% of the vote, you can go jump in the lake". the (obviously transparent) implication being that secret services principally exist as usg influence agents these days, and are getting beheaded pretty much everywhere, from myanmar to galicia and from gdansk to bucharest.
mircea_popescu: (kovesi btw, is the http://trilema.com/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up in ro, if it weren't obvious)
mircea_popescu: au 5%, cu tot SRI-ul în spate, cu Coldea cu tot, nu poţi să vii să faci program şi să implementezi nişte idei pentru cealaltă mare majoritate care formează 50% sau 60% şi care a votat."
mircea_popescu: "Societatea civilă este partea aia mare din România care ne-a votat şi ne-a dat această împuternicire. Cei de la #rezist, dacă vor să facă un partid unic, cu Kovesi preşedinte, prim-ministru şi împărat, trebuie să vină cu acest program în faţa românilor să-l voteze. Dacă românii vor o ţară cu #rezist, schimbăm şi steagul şi imnul cu #, iar noi ceilalţi ne aplecăm cu respect. Cât nu sunt votaţi şi
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "societatea civila" ie the 50k or so blue state worshipping orclets left in romania are being publicly humiliated these days, on live television : http://adevarul.ro/news/politica/codrin-Stefanescu-despre-surprizele-noul-guvern-psd-8_5a6852a0df52022f75d04ace/index.html
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 03:07 mod6: maybe I can try to make a quick genesis of this to see what hanbot is seeing.
asciilifeform: dafuq even is that
mod6: stuff, too
mod6: im not sure if i have a favorite, but those purple leafed plants are really eye catching to me for some reason
mod6: nice recent pics there mircea_popescu
mod6: maybe I can try to make a quick genesis of this to see what hanbot is seeing. ☟︎
mod6: is that tarball used to just unroll and go then?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in excellent technique, http://78.media.tumblr.com/4884d0975d67f80a68b4ef12be3437c3/tumblr_nhzhpwnc411u4bvmro1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: mod6 if you mean the genesis for it, afaik not yet published
a111: Logged on 2018-01-21 19:23 hanbot: hey shinohai, what is wp-patch2.diff in the mp-wp hosted @ http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/wp-mp.tar.gz ? i see no sig, no...from where/whom is it?
mod6: is this the right thing? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-21#1773562 ☝︎
mod6: where can i get the wp-mp vpathes?
mod6: ugh. man. this is what they call a 'hurts doughnut'
mircea_popescu: gotta pick the ice mod6 !
mod6: hanbot: i'd be happy to work with you to figure out whatever went wrong there.
mod6: i just about killed myself falling on some blackice in the driveway.
mod6: Evenin' TMSR.
shinohai: My God, I think they are running out of marketing points.
ben_vulpes: they both worked this time, marvel of marvels
mircea_popescu: ah i thought this is new.