asciilifeform: if it lands in your house and your machinery has nfi what it was for - save it...

asciilifeform: the OTHER thing to do, on top of these earlier 2, is to collect martian packets.

asciilifeform: the intel find (and if you buy the 'bug' excuse, i've a bridge to sellya) was a clue that the bastards never bothered with serious crypto magic for the boobytrap

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's ~dozen subspecies of each, but yes

asciilifeform: eventually might strike gold.

asciilifeform: feed the thing validly checksummed but otherwise from rng packets, at line rate

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another experiment, in similar vein, is fuzzing (yes) nics right on a desk

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546830 << this'd be incredibly spiffy ☝︎

asciilifeform: Framedragger: at this point i think everyone here has an unpublished prototype.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546840 << 3 fwiw ☝︎

asciilifeform: program with, e.g., 'buspirate'

asciilifeform: it just wants 3v.

asciilifeform: anyway sloth is a sin, motherfuckers. the 2 (3?) dudes i gave esp8266 boards to at c3, have they powered'em up?

asciilifeform: !#s parasitic relay

asciilifeform: Framedragger: at one time i suggested thermovoltaic device to mircea_popescu , he wrote entire article

asciilifeform: i have a crate of'em, waiting

asciilifeform: can relay, even perform basic crypto, in principle

asciilifeform: thing is a respectable micro comp on its own

asciilifeform: Framedragger: notice, you don't even need the external i/o pins

asciilifeform: (chinese)

asciilifeform: Framedragger: the mega-feature was the all-in-one micro (just needs current source, a few milliamp) and unspeakable cheapness

asciilifeform: Framedragger: quite respectable city ranges, 300+ metres

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the concept was first described by dan mocsny

asciilifeform: Framedragger ^ possibly of interest

asciilifeform: !#s esp8266

asciilifeform: like gluttony

asciilifeform: Framedragger: mircea_popescu has a point, it is a sin

asciilifeform: imagine living in obama's closet when he isn't looking. you can actually do that in radio...

asciilifeform: and it has to be automatic.

asciilifeform: so that you aren't stuck having to talk about it over the degrading channel

asciilifeform: nono

asciilifeform: (and when it stops being quiet, silently and immediately move, with a pre-agreed scheme)

asciilifeform: i'll share a tidbit - the place to be is the vast expanse of locally-quiet spectrum.

asciilifeform believe or not, experiments

asciilifeform: PeterL: consider reposting

asciilifeform: historically successful ('not caught for years') radio pirates normally used either unattended devices, or fast, mobile stations on boats

asciilifeform: Framedragger: pirates who don't use any crypto at all tend to have problems just the same, for 'tresspassing' on whatever sovereign's 'owned' spectrum.

asciilifeform: (alternatively for you to be fidel castro and 'go ahead and take my radio motherfuckers', which is what i originally thought this thread was to be about)

asciilifeform: nor easily linkable with it.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: no1 rule of pirate radio is for your arse to be nowhere near the transmitter.

asciilifeform: (balloon is bested only by satellite)

asciilifeform: can last much longer than balloon (the other obvious choice) at the cost of distance covered

asciilifeform: (at one time al schwartz and i modelled a scheme with ordinary champaigne bottles floating in ocean. it can work)

asciilifeform: also if yer gonna do this, do it right - massive net of physically dispersed transmitters, instead of multi-kw hogs

asciilifeform: would mircea_popescu paint forest camo on his city t34?

asciilifeform: it's rather like camo on tank, the scenery matters

asciilifeform: but it remains true that 'eliza stego' is dumb, unless you are masquerading among spam

asciilifeform: at any rate if mircea_popescu wants to build sw lighthouse on his dirigible, it'd be quite spiffy, not only do i not have any argument against it, but consider it the right and properly inevitable thing.

asciilifeform: pick.

asciilifeform: you can have it broken prior to investing time of yourself and others in it, or after.

asciilifeform: i never say 'useless' unless i can break something in O(1)

asciilifeform: ( unless i'm the intended receiver )

asciilifeform: PeterL: if i can tell that stego is in use, it ain't stego, definitionally

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your posited 30kps turns to 0.3

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stego is easily a 100x drop in channel capacity.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pass me a turing test and wake me up

asciilifeform: it is why i threw out all handshakes and other items that presume synchronous 2way, fast, and roughly symmetric link.

asciilifeform: at any rate, pretty much 100% of asciilifeform's work re gossipd, incl. prior to mircea_popescu's publication, was so that eventually radio.

asciilifeform: individual stations are -- recall 'voice of america'

asciilifeform: and until usg jam.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on odd full moons.

asciilifeform actually listens to shortwave, it is a very mixed bag

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ionospheric lottery

asciilifeform: i even handed out chip samples at c3 recall

asciilifeform: Framedragger: we had a long thread

asciilifeform: cheap, costs enemy more to kill than for us to make

asciilifeform: hey short-range pirates are where it's at, because they make actual sense

asciilifeform: Framedragger: you did say http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546849 ☝︎

asciilifeform: with what, own reactor?

asciilifeform: PeterL: 100kW drone?

asciilifeform: what can i say, go and put a 100kW pirate in usa, i'll watch

asciilifeform: as in 100kW+

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it counts for 0, they only care about international tx

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the board is trivial

asciilifeform: ahahahaha yaaah i'ma not only move (~$m+) but build megawatt radio on me new magic island ($10m+) suure.

asciilifeform: transmit something they can't decode, and they carefully guide the gasenwagen right to your house

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not at all lazy, here in usa they do ~100% of the spectrum policing

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 0 crypto

asciilifeform: (i.e. usg-compliant)

asciilifeform: Framedragger: they're capons

asciilifeform: needs to go with cannon, anti-aircraft battery, etc.

asciilifeform: a megawatt shortwave station is a castle.

asciilifeform: but ~long-range~ radio has very limited place.

asciilifeform: radio has its place.

asciilifeform: 'It is Intel’s belief that this is an implementation issue isolated to a specific manufacturer, not a design problem with the Intel 82574L Gigabit Ethernet controller. Intel has not observed this issue with any implementations which follow Intel’s published design guidelines. Intel recommends contacting your motherboard manufacturer ...'

asciilifeform: https://communities.intel.com/community/wired/blog/2013/02/07/intel-82574l-gigabit-ethernet-controller-statement ( https://archive.is/hdPrn ) << intel's official response. pure gold.

asciilifeform: (come to think of it, mircea_popescu , what nic was in the original dulap..?)

asciilifeform: http://blog.zorinaq.com/live-demonstration-of-intel-packet-of-death << also great. www-based 'death packet' sender.

asciilifeform: http://www.kriskinc.com/intel-pod << exact recipe.

asciilifeform: the commend: "ping -p 32 -s 1110 x.x.x.x" can crash an affected card remotely.'

asciilifeform: (elsewhere) 'The network card crashed whenever the value 0x32 or 0x33 was found at offset 0x47f. Kristian first noticed this happening for specific SIP packets, but in the end, it turned out that any packet with 0x32 at 0x47f caused the crash. Intel traced the problem to an EEPROM used in this specific card (82574L). There are some links in the comment to the blog suggesting that others have run into this problem before. For example,

asciilifeform: sorta popped up, and then quietly unhappened.

asciilifeform: http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-ethernet-controller-vulnerable-to-packet-of-death << etc

asciilifeform: reliably hard-wedged the nic, regardless of what os was running, or if any

asciilifeform: ^ dude who found what was probably loose end of intel's implementation of 'magic usg packet'

asciilifeform: aaaaand on slightly related subj, whatever happened to https://archive.is/y2cFi ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546731 << that's a realtek, you can spot the crab logo with naked eye. ☝︎

asciilifeform if nobody figured it out, was going through /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/ethernet simply ... asking 'gbE? alive?' for each item therein.

asciilifeform: turns out they were rounded up just like the banks.

asciilifeform: (bought by 3com !)