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mp_en_viaje: or what the fuck exactly. god damn it i'm sick of the permanent precise well-oiled functioning of the idiocy machine.
mp_en_viaje: either way whichever direction i turn, nothing but smooth wall of self-supporting "humans are imbeciles, born imbeciles, will stay imbeciles, fuck you mp". what should i do, ~temporary~ arrangement ? so the imbecile within can be "oh, so much trouble to keep moving this, let's not write" ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i was wundering where newton's royalsociety thing went..
mp_en_viaje: considering the beatings it took, them as apparently everyone else, human retardation is fucking insuperable, to start doing this at all, i can't imagine anything more fucking annoying.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile i have the serious problem that my girls, who didn't feel "the need" to produce any articles for week upon week UPON WEEK of pizarro working fine, now have major backlogs that can't get published
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you have entirely fair point, 'gun that no one aims an' pulls trigger on dun fight'
mp_en_viaje: just as soon as we get enough aluminum siding salesmen together to actually make something of it.
asciilifeform: [insert here oblig thrd where mp: 'you think i actually NEED the net? well, i can just as readily rule via camel couriers!11' ]
asciilifeform: ( which -- did. but that's story for another time )
asciilifeform: i suspect that mp_en_viaje will yet have occasion to say 'thank you' to asciilifeform for having 'wasted time' discovering how to undetectably and reliably shortwave.
asciilifeform: aint much left of it, tbh.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The thing is... The old one is being consumed.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje was in fact right in 2015, when wrote that working internet can only be built w/ constellation of machinery on old one, where if can connect to 1 noad, you get republican net, and the bits ~will~ go where they're addressed for so long as there's physically via what.
BingoBoingo: Today for two years having passed since the 2017 state of necessity was declared... mp_en_viaje's evalution that for the time passing, the future of the internet seems darker... I can't dispute it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: germany got its 'win via separate-peace w/ usa' after all. just took half century, vs. himmler's desired 2weeks.
BingoBoingo: Today, Germany sits driving Europe despite 1939-1945 playing out as they did.
BingoBoingo: The Chinese hadn't even gone through their backyard furnace experiment yet
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In a world where no one is shooting at Google, this may just as well be a more desperate situation than June '41 with respect to shaping the future.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw lotsa folx in june '41 said also this.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It's a stress, but as I'm sure I mentioned before... a productive stress. Beats the hell out of persistent stagnant dread-stress.
mp_en_viaje: isn't it fun, actually doing something rather than sitting twiddling thumbs worrying...
BingoBoingo has shared server backups loading up to trinquebox. About to prepare for hardware recovery mission.
mp_en_viaje: let me be the judge of that.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: atm haven't even made for you the 1st breakfast tho.
mp_en_viaje: i get it, you enjoy that part. nevertheless, you can't cook me a 2nd breakfast instead of serving me the first because you enjoy cooking more than serving.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'spring' does need the keccak tho. then can actually rsapad.
mp_en_viaje: the not fine part is -- asciilifeform idiot, instead of loading sprins on truck, let truck leave empty, spent time digging more ore.
mp_en_viaje: no, that part is fine.
asciilifeform: atm yes. cuz asciilifeform , 'idiot, wasted time', dug the ore an' forged them springs.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, well, because they did. socialist reinterpretation of capitalism is still socialist.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 14:28:55 mp_en_viaje: because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943654 << For all the 80's/90's Ruh Ruh USA!!! wank I grew on on... Things seem indistinguishable from a world where the soviets wom.
mp_en_viaje: no amount of "we finely carved this clump of gpg wood" will substitute for a single grain of "we did the outreach".
asciilifeform: there's no way to avoid work.
mp_en_viaje: correct summary was, "alf thought he came up with solution that avoids work ; mp pointed out to not do that ; alf tried to avoid work while doing thing closer to actual solution, and succeeded -- at avoiding work"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: orig. asciilifeform's counter to 'internet is disappearing' was 'let's make mp_en_viaje's gossipd'. but then, like idjit, went to try an' make isp purse from sow ear.
mp_en_viaje: again -- not because i hate you, but because things are what they are.
mp_en_viaje: what i give a shit about is the things i keep yelling about.
mp_en_viaje: so no, i couldn't give less of a shit as things stand right now if ffa is "properly completed" or not ; nor if "more material" is made available as unqualified scribbles on trb code.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i wasn't under the impression that you were.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not making this shit up because i hate you. it's pre-made, and waiting.
mp_en_viaje: there's not going to be eg computing, because "intelligent" bois of 0 value aren't any match for 1970s french farmers.
mp_en_viaje: this wasn't A LOT of work, nor that hard to do. but it HAD TO BE DONE.
mp_en_viaje: there exist good cheeses now because (mostly french) many anon farmers produced the structure to protect them.
mp_en_viaje: entrenching resistence to this only works if yo uwork it -- there's eg excellent cheese available today (but only in yurp -- and trump banned, also, as part and parcel of PRACTICAL governance, because the wal doesn't matter but the fact ustards have ~noyhing to offer in counterparty for the fine euro cheese DOES matter)
mp_en_viaje: and when that happens, the field's fucked. permanently.
mp_en_viaje: because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer right tho
mp_en_viaje: wait for long enough, there will not be any fucking place to isp at, either.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:20:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943254 << i dun get it, do you want the item properly completed or not ?
mp_en_viaje: people, generally, ineptly failing to make ~good~ websites back in 2001 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by "platforms". foss retards failing to make useful software back in 2006 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by ubuntus. similarly with dcs, the "vibrant market" for many independent people's boxes is being eaten by netflix in the wake of googleamazon ops, and has been.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943330 << my problems right now is that while we diddledaddled at "isp", the world changed. i dunno if you understand this or not, observe if yourself or not, but it doesn't fucking matter.
asciilifeform: like the logger!111
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 17:18:23 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943635 << so happens that this very thing was asciilifeform's just about last request to phf . ( never birthed, tho )
mp_en_viaje: all things that do this will eventually be garbage collected, because wtf, we'll just drown in figurines otherwise.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 12:09:35 mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-09 11:19:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943233 << is tbf 'person' ? or also tin soldier, i.e. fights while mp moves it on game board, dies when he knocks it over ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943328 << it failed to live, is its whole problem. it was made to live, stayed wooden.
mp_en_viaje: but you know, first, gotta see lobbes mp-wp combo, THEN
mp_en_viaje: ~similar to deed thing
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 14:33:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Right, gotta map the space and then fire the marketing payload.
mp_en_viaje: (to clarify : build ipx list, because it lists live active dc/isp operatoons. you're not likely to get to work for the ixp directly as these are usually ~foundations, nonprofits)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 15:17:51 mp_en_viaje: i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 << before this escapes -- imho this is Right Thing
mp_en_viaje: let's call it simplistic and leave it at that.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: possibly asciilifeform has simplistic model of BingoBoingo -- i.e. ' BingoBoingo -- parachutist. what's a 2nd, 3rd, ..., jump, to parachutist !'
mp_en_viaje: unless your style is "go to that store, bring me one of everything", "get in the car, we're going" isn't the way to go.
mp_en_viaje: "fuck you guise, i;m otta here" is for the sort of mobster-looking dude with a 10k usd brick in a steel clip in his pocket and iron packing escort grinning from over his shoulders.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment << Just trying to squash the earlier "evac nao" hysterics
mp_en_viaje: you'll get a lowball offer which you take and then pivot later.
mp_en_viaje: can also be frank with them, "look, i came to uy to get isp going, worked ok for 3 years, dc died from under us, i got a girl and must relocate asap"
asciilifeform: afaik the only ixp in uy is antel. but mp_en_viaje has it
mp_en_viaje: you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Right. asciilifeform: The place to be emailing ISPs would be Uruguay or WTF? Imma pack twice?
mp_en_viaje: vancouver is cold, but the pay's also better than whatever uruguay has to offer. rents&cost of living also higher, but odds are she doesn't comprehend that.
mp_en_viaje: in any case, i can appreciate your wanting to stay, but it is possible uruguay not very good spot for you. could alternatively build that list of ixp's, start emailing cvs to all of them asking for employment. if get one, just tell the girl to come, odds are she will.
asciilifeform: but afaik, you can't do this in uy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje has sold me that datacenter tech is probably best career for me as I am today. Next obstacle is does any datacenter have the brains to take mp_en_viaje's recommendation with the necessary gravity.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i strongly suspect that that dc got 'colour revolution'-d but this not directly pertinent to thrd.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By all appearances Latecho can't pay Uruguayos, and I did make their surviving sales and telecom managers pale this week. Guy seems to have gone oldgendered coverting Latecho to low investment netflix box pension
asciilifeform: fwiw i'm satisfied that there's moar buried nazi gold to be found in uy than dc-run-by-guy but if mp_en_viaje not convinced , i haven't a counter
mp_en_viaje: well, if they did was his job to find on your/my dime prior, in any case.
asciilifeform: re 'run by a guy' -- these dun seem to exist in uy
mp_en_viaje: makes little diff, just the personality signature's right. like that douchebag dood or w/e, if trinque ran a dc i'd pack you tonight.
asciilifeform: btw is it known that maxim of mivo actually runs the dc ?
mp_en_viaje: the ONE important thing is to latch on a dc that's run by a guy, quite like that mivo dude, and not by a retarded ugiistanism, "corporation"
BingoBoingo: Also that
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Motorcycles are a dying niche on the high end. Low end is all products of india.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: gotta ask, why couldn't he, e.g. fix motorcycles ? also work for good hands, and unlike salaried tech ( asciilifeform did a 2y+ tour of duty as just-this when was starving ) open-ended vol. of biz
mp_en_viaje: the only other similar thing is trucking, but imo that's poison for you, because too many people do it so it's been well colonized by specific preditors that are effectual enough.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Thank you
mp_en_viaje: this is pretty much the whole bar. i can think of no other professional line where this particular mix of dedication, greenishness and blindsidedness is equally adequate. and certainly of no better paying one.
mp_en_viaje: these for the positive. for the negative, you managed to live in dc without hamhandling any cables / runing things with hooves / etc.
mp_en_viaje: the difference between dc tech and platoonleader is that dc tech need not situational awareness, possibly your weakest spot. has a boss, who tells him exactly what to do EACH time all the time no exceptions forever.
mp_en_viaje: the difference between dc tech and oncologist is that what dc tech must know is 1/100 the volume. very similar sort of inexpressible minutia, but not requires 15+ years of direct practice. bright student can catch up in 6 to 9 mo
mp_en_viaje: the difference between dc tech and barrista is that dc tech MUST show up EVERY TIME. can't hit the snooze. is rather like surgeon in this respect. this -- you do.
mp_en_viaje: i think ~for you, personally~, such as you are and irrespective of outside considerations, dc tech may be the best career path.