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assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 23:21:54; asciilifeform: i'm kinda surprised they didn't fill the thing with glue and be done with it
BingoBoingo: From another review: "It smells very heavily of alcohol first off, but the taste is surprisingly sweet, like candy corn and pears (but mostly bourbon:)... It is my go-to whisky, and being a Kentuckian of discerning taste, I'd like to think that says something towards it's character. Two of Ulysses S. Grant's fellow Generals were said to have complained to Lincoln personally of Grant's drunkenness and it's detriment in the line of
punkman: well, I'm no malt connoisseur but I'd put it right next to similarly-priced scottish bottles
asciilifeform: (quite possibly true, i have not used it personally)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o ffs. japanese whiskey ? << I knew I picked a good time to try sobriety
mircea_popescu: i guess we should be thankful grain at least grew in that shitty island.
asciilifeform: https://www.rt.com/politics/224099-russia-land-free-east << it, i think
gribble: Full text of "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell" - Internet Archive: <https://archive.org/stream/IHopeTheyServeBeerInHell/TuckerMax-IHopeTheyServeBeerInHellebook-OcrPdf_djvu.txt>; The Now Infamous Charity Auction Debacle « TuckerMax.com: <http://tuckermax.com/stories/the-now-infamous-charity-auction-debacle/>; A Man for All Seasons (1966) - Quotes - IMDb: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: speaking of alaska/siberia/etc, i hear ru now has a 'homestead act'
mircea_popescu: actually most of siberia/alaska are pretty much rent free and from what i hear rather enjoyable.
hanbot: asciilifeform by now, i dunno. old friend is about there, relegated to san jose armpit, and last i checked the only thing in his house was a box of cheezeits.
phf: ben_vulpes: just to clarify, literal translation would be that i can talk without censoring myself. but mp explained the actual meaning, that i'm not quite sure how to put in words better. it's something like, can talk on point, without revisions on account of this or that.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i bet it's perfectly livable at 500+k/y
mircea_popescu: everything in the us was much better in the 90s. buffett-style "i believe in america" merely sounded overoptimistic, hadn't yet caught this greenish hue of past-ridiculous senility like something found in a fridge on the side of a demolishing yard.
hanbot: well, it had good air. the panhandlers were entertaining. i was 16.
asciilifeform: 'great' means, without exception, that there is no meat within 40m of my chair that i didn't put there.
phf: true, to be fair, anywhere is nicer then dc. i thought ascii was overly dramatic, but damn is this place bad.
mircea_popescu: i do not know one single sf extrovert.
kakobrekla: i thought rednecks drive that
kakobrekla: to be clear, by truck i mean the SUVs
asciilifeform: i had these mousetraps.
kakobrekla: so i google 'google parking lot' and get 'Google employee lives in a truck in the parking lot ' as first hit.
punkman: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/02/1412244775608_wps_21_Dancing_mantises_Two_pray.jpg
asciilifeform: well i have an english transl. lying around
mircea_popescu: meh i can't find the happy dancing mantises. a well.
mircea_popescu: i think i read it in french
mircea_popescu: i had a great pic up lemme see if i can ever find anything again in this smoldering pile of everything that's my blog
pete_dushenski: https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjx5L_unKXJAhUCLYgKHf0-ClQQjBwIBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fd%2Fd9%2FPorch_of_the_Caryatids_from_angle.JPG&psig=AFQjCNHy0iPIzC_1v0U8RVTk5KbZLGOW2g&ust=1448322636396145 << these caryatids ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i have nfi what you are no matter how hard i try.
mircea_popescu: too much rehash. what am i, openssl ?
mircea_popescu: whatever, i dun feel like getting into it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i get it, an entire generation of disenfranchised young russians figure they're great chaps and the fault must be in the women empowering the old farts.
mircea_popescu: i never saw much in it (and in pelevin generally) other than "oh if only the holy tenets of TRUE socialism hadn't been /intinate/ or however you say that in russian
asciilifeform: if i ever bother to do a w4r3z scan, they could...
mircea_popescu: i guess no two people ever can read the same book
asciilifeform: i'm kinda surprised they didn't fill the thing with glue and be done with it ☟︎
asciilifeform: i wouldn't either
pete_dushenski: i was 'pro' user, wouldn't touch this.
mircea_popescu: i actually get more "web designer" spam than "seo expert" spam.
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu can i have eulora login?
jurov: i see
jurov: i don't see why this of all is the problem, objects usually know which table/column is the field wired to
trinque: mircea_popescu: the mismatch I was referring to was the object-relational-mapper; it cannot for example (easily, or usably) create a new object which is the synthesis of n other objects done by inner join
jurov: but that's hard AI, I'm afrraid
jurov: trinque i'd rather have lazy evaluator that collects the filters and operations I normally have in the program, and compiles them together into optimized query and executes it only when the result is needed
mircea_popescu: trinque can i get "this" and "that" comparisons of the actual thing ? "ceci n'est pas une pipe" "this is not a pipe" sort of thing
asciilifeform: circuitry with the ion beam ... I realized what was going on almost instantly: the antenna effect. The bond wire and leadframe connected to each pad in the device was acting as an antenna and coupling some of the 13.56 MHz RF energy from the plasma into the input buffers, blowing out the ESD diodes and input transistors, and leaving me with a dead chip.'
asciilifeform: 'Once everything was done and the chamber was vented I removed the carbon coating with oxygen plasma (the cleanroom's standard photoresist removal process), packaged up my sample, went home, and soldered it back to the board for testing. After powering it up... nothing! The device was as dead as a doornail, I couldn't even get a JTAG IDCODE from it. ... ... ruled out beam-induced damage as I had not been hitting any of the I/O
trinque: I'm sure this could be done rather well atop CLOS with no other monstrosities involved
trinque: jurov: I simply wish to sit with my data-set and say "give me the X for which this lambda evaluates true, retrieve its related Y and Z, compute this aggregate over the related Y and Z; do this again with another lambda. Return the paginated list of the intersection of the two result sets"
kakobrekla: i havent used sqla, i guess its is probably similar though i cant say for sure
trinque: nah, I am saying the db is magic to the core.
trinque: aside this, any work I'm doing in databases has been indefinitely postponed until I understand CLOS far better, and review what was done atop it
trinque: the usefulness of this declarative mode is I think as you describe, "get me a that" damn it, because I want one.
trinque: this magic is why (as I understand it) asciilifeform abhors the thing; you have in no way been involved with what steps will be taken to compute the result other than describing the result itself, barring again, the places where actual programming crept back in
trinque: mircea_popescu │ kakobrekla no but seriously, i'm at least partly here to learn, so what functionality is it ? like a good example. << this I think calls for careful steps and a machete
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no but seriously, i'm at least partly here to learn, so what functionality is it ? like a good example.
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's 'this is a spiffy rifle, i'll take it fishing and to bed'
jurov: i'm okay with sql. but when programatically constructing a query, i prefer sqlalchemy
mircea_popescu: i would much rather spend five minutes writing queries than figuring why the fuck copy *. doesn't work and ending up using cat
mircea_popescu: and honestly i don't mind it so much. about the same as my life generally, really.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i know how to do joins and everything!
kakobrekla: i find raw queries disgusting
mircea_popescu: the only way it could be useful is if it somehow intuited what the columns are actually named for me so i don't have to always keep checking
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I write raw queries a few times a week
mircea_popescu: i really have no idea why i'd want a language on top of that. what's it going to do ?
mircea_popescu: pretty much every time i want something from trilema i SELECT by hand
mircea_popescu: motherfucker i hated larry's comprehension.
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 16:23:54; mircea_popescu: i dunno why the fuck this point is so unobvious, but : most of the intellectual gains humanity has made came after it decided to do what science always does : arbitrarily clamp down on complexity in one place to use this as leverage against complexity elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: you know what i mean...
jurov: that's finest advocacy of humanist pseudosciences i ever saw
mircea_popescu: i said "clamp down in one place" not "reduce". how the fuck are you goingto reduce complexity and why aren't you moving on to entropy next!
mircea_popescu: but does your experience also include what i actually said above, or just what you saw in it ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno why the fuck this point is so unobvious, but : most of the intellectual gains humanity has made came after it decided to do what science always does : arbitrarily clamp down on complexity in one place to use this as leverage against complexity elsewhere. ☟︎
jurov: i'd like to see natural language applied to programming, too
asciilifeform would like to read mircea_popescu's notation-less mathematical work. i bet it is rather like euclid on lsd
mircea_popescu: a) none of these derps know any maths and b) i do and somehow survive. if you need a particular notation to do maths either you're not very good or are trying to talk to idiots.
asciilifeform: for the most part that is what i keep around on dead tree
mircea_popescu: god damned it i'd rather be a z80/
mircea_popescu: which i suppose counts for "368" pages in lalaland wherew they do 1k characters per page.
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 07:22:09; punkman: speaking of Alan Kay, I recently stumbled on one of his inane ted-style talks, and his lets-reinvent-computars project http://www.vpri.org/html/work/ifnct.htm
punkman: https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/502526058.jpg saw Uncle Vanya yesterday. here's the set chekov-gun'd until the fucking picture frames are empty.
mircea_popescu: "hosting fees are expensive" my foot. they're only expensive because "oh i just wanna be a designer" all over the place.
mitch_callahan: ahh sorry BingoBoingo, its this stupid Mac client I'm using. i'll remove it today.
mircea_popescu: thought it would be easier to simply collect all the material I have
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mircea_popescu: myself and I have never done an e-book layout before so </span><span
mircea_popescu: e-book.</span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"> I laid this out
mircea_popescu: "oh look, i wrote some words down, now you gotta do what i say!!1"
mircea_popescu: punkman i just went in a cycle asking "then why the fuck are they not calling it .txt" and answering myself the line above to shinohai and now i feel a little queasy.
mircea_popescu: meh, epub. i'll wait for the text version.
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punkman: speaking of Alan Kay, I recently stumbled on one of his inane ted-style talks, and his lets-reinvent-computars project http://www.vpri.org/html/work/ifnct.htm ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (i am abstracting)
ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i meant abstraction in the sense of software that composes small tools into larger units that...operate at a higher level of abstraction.
mircea_popescu: i don't think we mean the same by abstraction. it's not a sort of cool. it's basically purification.
ben_vulpes: i might begin to be understanding