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diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw I even emailed some brazilians, will see if/what they reply.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think mp_en_viaje will sooner eat glass than go argentine
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as I was saying, now I don't bother to filter them anymore; they will filter themselves, as above.
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/3nQJt << Argentina is fatwah'd and even more isolated than Uruguay from an internet perspective, but here's what they offer for 2U 10mbps burstable symmetric (LACNIC so IP address poor). If Gbps can reasonable be had in Baltimore...
asciilifeform: diana_coman: took me all of 20m of phone to get the troof outta'em
asciilifeform: diana_coman: apparently even bmore loox good compared to some of'em
diana_coman: in unexpected idiotic failures, monovm's automated system replies to my email to inform me that they won't look at it because I'm not registered with them.
asciilifeform: a+++ mp_en_viaje karateka today btw.
asciilifeform: luckily mp_en_viaje has battalion of people-who-make-sense next to reasonably-priced-dc then..
mp_en_viaje: i am interested in something like that next to someone who makes sense, though.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it is not interesting to me because well...
asciilifeform: 'i dun understand this fucking martian' != 'random'
mp_en_viaje: capital is to be deployed certain ways, not fucking randomly, neh ?
asciilifeform: perhaps if were well-managed, would consist of tractors an' rabbits
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje says -- then perhaps is, who am i to say.
asciilifeform: why would even pile up dc-style boxes in fucking hovel?! what good they do there ?!
mp_en_viaje: and 30yo concert musician to own, if not necessarily 100k worth of violin, then definitely 100k worth of violin if HE PLAYS THE VIOLIN, and twice so if he has a collection of antique panflutes.
mp_en_viaje: i'd also expect 30yo boat-lifer to own ~100k worth of boat. and 30yo golf pro to own ~100k worth of golf gear.
asciilifeform: i think i figured it out, mp_en_viaje still thinks asciilifeform is seekritly loaded and simply intransigent
mp_en_viaje: but no small part of why i thought you had so and so is because you have others thus and following. i expect the man with 100k worth of car to have 1k worth of gas, i expect the man with egitheen slavegirls to have 20+ rooms, that sorta thing
mp_en_viaje: anwyays. people judge likeliness by some sort of grille. mine comes pre-populated with sanity promoting assumptions that are build through interacting with business not with collectors. consequently, all sort of conclusions can be derived that evidently do not bear out in practice.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why it is even interesting to ask about what unrackables asciilifeform owns ? my toyota also aint rackable.
mp_en_viaje: whatever. all this begs the question "how the fuck did you get your inventory manager to approve this insanity of outlay". with the self-obvious answer that "i am said manager myself, and i am known for my managerial acumen"
mp_en_viaje: whatevers. my question will stand as "so you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable severs, but you do own 20k worth of unrackable memorabilia, which you inexplicably misvalue at 5k for some reason that's obviously this conversation and the outcomes yu want to see from it".
mp_en_viaje: whole bolix, i thought that's more like 7k+ these days.
mp_en_viaje: multiple symbolics cpus, i thought those went for 2-3k ea.
mp_en_viaje: nevermind that. if you put it on amazon today you'd BIY for...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'd say nomoar than 5k will be paid for it at the auction when im hanged.
mp_en_viaje: yes, yes. but the dollar value of said arguably useless or not useless pile of old junk you can't currently use would be...
asciilifeform: what's useless , and what aint, depends from who pov. for building a piz-style dc -- 100% useless. and btw asciilifeform already, i thought, killed 1 dc, why would mp_en_viaje even consider to put'im in another.
mp_en_viaje: and the market value of this handful of cpus + working mchine comes to ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: handful of said cpu + 1 working machine is all i got re these.
mp_en_viaje: do you or do you not currently posses and are the owner of a number of cpus made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of pcbs made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of other just as useless paraphenalia made by just as defunct same co
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint got a comp warehouse ! and moreover have nfi why mp_en_viaje thought -- did.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 16 ( 17, incl desk test bed ) rk. + a room fulla laboratory gear, such as is kept by fella who never even in nightmare pictured to run a dc.
mp_en_viaje: i thought you had multiple chips + boards + other junk related.
mp_en_viaje: so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages ; but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun own 100k of anyffin, dun think.
mp_en_viaje: so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages ; but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware.
asciilifeform: (1.5 incl diskage, disks bought new cuz wtf, used toothbrushes)
asciilifeform: mno, was discussed in painfully pedantic detail, compl. w/ links to the people from whom bought.
mp_en_viaje: i also thought you pulled those from warehouse, myself.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: bought the piz inhabitants, neh.
mp_en_viaje: i suspect the problem is your constant confusion between "could" and "did"
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the proposition of buing new, off eggazon w/e, to fill a rack significantly less appealing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: worse, all of this aint even the hard part, in usa can get any kinda rackables for ~lunchmoney
mp_en_viaje: what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: what is pictured there ? 'my dragon hoard of dc-waiting-for-rack' ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have a www. since '07. was even under impression that mp_en_viaje occasionally read it.
mp_en_viaje: i thought you jsut bought shit because it was cheap / you liked it, in lieu of saving or w/e. nfi what the fuck you're doing, i confess the more i talk to you, the less i understand.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have a surgical theatre either. nor milking machines. i was never attempting to fill a dc, until piz.
mp_en_viaje: this'd have been excellent op to recapitalize.
mp_en_viaje: aite, so if you're not in the business of being in business, you're not, what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you think i'd sit on a rack's worth of comp and not say ?
mp_en_viaje: an earlier inventory could've saved me the internal misrepresentation.
mp_en_viaje: you have textile looms and period exhaust pipes from the carbureted days of yore.
mp_en_viaje: so you're more of an electrician than a computer scientist, the bulk of your garbage trove is in fact unrelated to computing as such
mp_en_viaje: and that this pile, inter alia, is why you're stil lthe fuck there in the first place.
mp_en_viaje: yes, honestly, i had formed the impression that after years of perusing the penny-to-dollar electronic surplus stores you amassed a large collection of perfectly serviceable parts, that could in a pinch produce a cabinets worth of servers. i did.
asciilifeform: just like not erry tub in kitchen is 'seaworthy'
asciilifeform: what , did mp_en_viaje think asciilifeform was sitting on top of a dc ?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the only rackable i have in stock here is the rktron.
mp_en_viaje: actually make it ~36 or so u long, so there's some choice.
mp_en_viaje: and make a fucking inventory already, "alf's list of the most-likelky-to-be-worth-racking 24 u items currently in his warehouse"
asciilifeform: if lobbes knows how to do this, i'ma take off hat and do it w/ lobbes .
mp_en_viaje: or whoever lives thereabouts and not yet beheaded ? afaik lobbes last head left attached.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, can you help this fellow out of paper bag ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-09 20:14:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun know how to turn btc into us-cc.
mp_en_viaje: a coin's worth two of those.
asciilifeform: where is asciilifeform to get 5+k/mo ?
mp_en_viaje: dude, i already said, wtf. <mp_en_viaje> get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go.
asciilifeform: once start to fill it, pipe costs substantial .
mp_en_viaje: and so what is the problem in getting it ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: other thing, whole cage may be 750, but bw for a rack's wortha boxen would be coupla k/m
mp_en_viaje: but i can't ever decide with you if miles gloriosus, talks of gf as "pets", plural, because why not, boihood chorus, or genuine misrepresented fellow, has all sorta things doesnt know how to put to work.
mp_en_viaje: this'd be a perfect opportunity to put all that to work, also.
mp_en_viaje has no problem putting the above on nsa's monthly report ; and if indeed all the noises you make about having iron (that you "can't inventory" until "you dispose of the garbage, cuz totally, that's how inventories are made, can't enumerate the jewels for lack of having expelled the piocket lint),
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun know how to turn btc into us-cc.
mp_en_viaje: not like eg nsa can't afford all this.
mp_en_viaje: you have this very self-defeating way of being "conservative"
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the way I see it is that one wants 1 rack just like one wants own bathroom; ie not to share.
mp_en_viaje: i didn't want all of those in 1 rack.
mp_en_viaje: oh, so if it was your private one box thing then why in here lol
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can reliably put 4-5hundy w/out problems, from asciilifeform's daily racket. and thought we were orig. discussing 'could house 1u?' . but if not mp_en_viaje-grade, then waht can do.
mp_en_viaje: if you can't take it why even bother calling, what did you expect they'd say, "19.95" ?
mp_en_viaje: 750/mo for rack + 5k for gbps pro rated is very reasonable an offer, i'd take it.
mp_en_viaje: well looky, your conference call, inasmuch as it was predicated on "talk to dc about my soda & 2 large popcorn budget" was a waste of your time.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if we make 'discover working btc-to-usd in middle of fucking reich' part of this problem, will take long time.
asciilifeform: can try an' ask again.
mp_en_viaje: get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go.
mp_en_viaje: so ima send you one of nsa's coin, you trade it for whatever 8k it's worth, and not pauper no more.
mp_en_viaje: would you pay 50/mo to rent shelf in someone's bathroom or 400/month to rent studio apt ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-08 19:18:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942598 << ftr asciilifeform can afford to feed a 3-4hundy cow. but so long as in fact gives milk. and still seems steep imho .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 1 prob. atm is that asciilifeform can't yet feed a 750/m rack .
mp_en_viaje: so i'd rather pay 20 than 3 for 8x the space and the ownership, what's difficult to digest ?
mp_en_viaje: you have option of either paying 3 bux day for sharing into someone else's rack, while someone stands over and films you ; or else pay 20 bux per day to own rack, which is 24u, ie 12times the size, and lock it as your own.
asciilifeform: ( to be fair to the orcs, they letcha cancel whenever , no indenture )
mp_en_viaje: maybe i misunderstand this, let's see
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i also dunwant to end up in 'marriage' to this warehouse.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems that if worth, worth to test w/ 1 or 2 pieces.