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mircea_popescu: ideology matters
a lot more than these things. the germans wanted to be free and the french wanted to party.
mircea_popescu: heck, even in 1950 stuff was
a lot more reliable than the shit that passes today.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ro soviet socialism was very much
a medieval arrangement.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was
a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: If there aren't jsut
a handful of families in town with the relative wallets to tell the cable co FU, can't have get fiber
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month,
a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once
a year. and the internet is twice as good. << Kinda why US municipalities with good internet have
a maximum size.
mircea_popescu: so you got
a 4x improvement in qualityt of life for the slaves&servants in question out of the very simple measure of halving the costs and doubling the quality ; and at the expense that julie nobody doesn't get to pretend on reddit and gates doesn't get to pretend in washpo anymore.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month,
a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once
a year. and the internet is twice as good.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373607 << it's the same money, but in fewer hands. think of it this way : currently, there's 10`000 "family units" in town X making "the decision" to buy cable. as
a result... there's two shitty companies and
a de facto monopoly. transform those families into slaves and servants. they no longer get their own house, but live in the house oftheir masters, at their disposals
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:24:50; punkman: /me wonders how much
a small steel mill costs
mircea_popescu: fucking roman empire got dates across the sea in time to start
a war. wtf already,
BingoBoingo: Was just at walmart and saw
a few for $10
a pop.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of
a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
mircea_popescu: NACK. This renders hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment useless. It will leave
a bad taste in the miners' mouth. I also think this is an unnecessary fix to
a problem that won't exist in the long term. ASIC mining hardware will sooner or later hit fundamental physical limits and become commoditized. Decentralization of mining will naturally follow."
mircea_popescu: letting bitfury & friends eat 100mn in unrecoupable engineering costs would provide exactly the correct lesson as to what it's
a good idea to say and when it's
a good idea to shut the fuck up and toe the line.
mircea_popescu: This is literally no harder to get consensus for than
a hardforked block size increase. This is probably easier, in fact, since it impacts fewer people negatively."
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:49:24; mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pretty neat ice scuptures. i'd like to see an ice sculpture of
a guy with
a sharpie in pooper.
punkman: well you can put them in
a jail cell if you prefer, but I ain't paying for it
punkman: jurov, don't you wish
a stake for certain people?
jurov: when did you start considering headcount as
a measure?
pete_dushenski: this minor power might not move mountains or build space rockets, but it can provide health care, "education," "
a sense of community" etc
pete_dushenski: so while bitcoin might be more politically centralised, there's
a whole lot else out there in the wild
pete_dushenski: within feudalism, of course profit is still ~
a~ motive, but it's not the only (not can it really ever be)
jurov: what is hard to imagine, how to achieve this together with profit as
a motive
jurov: you could fix "skoda 120" at home with
a pit and basic tools
pete_dushenski: with the amount of fiat sloshing around, it's hard to imagine this niche-or-nothing/15k-only approach coming to dominate industries and manufacturing sectors any time soon, but the thermodynamics do point to this as
a far more (whisper it) sustainable solution
ben_vulpes: so they're
a glorified waste-processing plant.
jurov: pete_dushenski: why would
a person pay for such an one-of-
a-few computer?
pete_dushenski: jurov: aha. well, manufacturers still made computers before everyone had
a desktop in their home, and so too can they once "everyone" has nothing more than phablets.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: hard to make
a small steel mill ? yes. impossible ? no.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: even $robofab i worked for one time had their castings done by
a casting company.
ben_vulpes: hard to make
a small steel mill. the things tend to be huge and dominate the area or go out of business.
pete_dushenski: jurov: i don't deny that there might be engineering solutions transferred within there larger firms, but it tends to be
a trickle down from the high-performance customers to the low, not the other way around
punkman: /me wonders how much
a small steel mill costs
☟︎ pete_dushenski: and without those mass-market suppliers, they'd still use suppliers, just ones that catered to
a smaller market
pete_dushenski: jurov: hm still not sure i see it.
a lot of the high-end firms are having custom materials made too.
pete_dushenski: you better have
a unique turn signal stalk in your 599 gtb. or else.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: i'll let you in on
a sports car industry secret : they all are
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:05; jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for
a computer or
a car only if they foresee
a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make
a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding..
☝︎☟︎ pete_dushenski: oil products have
a proven track record of transporting quite efficiently
pete_dushenski: the gasoline infrastructure that exists also has no reason to go anywhere as long as there's
a market to support it
mod6: i mean, we might never give
a 'js' implementation the /blessing/ but if someone wants to work on that for themselves or whatever, cool with me.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:41:29; jurov: how would
a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?
mod6: in that v_steps.pl file, you'll see the sha256 hashes are kept in
a here-doc so they can be repeatedly tested.
mod6: in the package that includes the cucumber tests, you'll find
a scenario with tags '@27' and '@pressFlag' called "User executes V with the press flag" -- it then will press out
a tree, then do exactly what I saying above ^
mod6: you know, one thing that I did to ensure that my pressing of the tree was happening correctly was to press out
a tree, then do
a full `find . -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 sha512sum > manifest` to see what the final hash of the source file was, then compare it to what we had before -- what we were patching by hand.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents. << This threw me for
a loop the first time.
ben_vulpes: mod6: im still
a bit unclear as to what "precedence levels" refers
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: "we'll give you
a zillion dollars provided you spend it all designing and producing our next generation of home routers"?
mod6: we discussed it in here,
a bit of varience is fine.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of
a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: mod6: press of
a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mod6: ben_vulpes's version in CL looks neat, but i can't even figure out how to run it since im
a lisptard.
mod6: guruvan: yah, maybe someone will create
a nice implementation in something more sane and maintain it.
ben_vulpes: hey pete_dushenski you may be entertained to hear that my openbsd adventures have led me to download 10.6 and dd it onto
a usb
guruvan: I always found it needlessly difficult - from the point of view of someone keeping volumes of code running - perl's
a haddle
mod6: well, theres
a bunch of things that are bad.. like
a lot of the cpan modules aren't maintained any more, etc. but if one stays away from the libs... *shrug*
mod6: but separately, the current version of v.pl is v99997, and i have
a v99996 ready to go, just wanna accomplish
a few other tasks first before i send it to the ML.
mod6: guruvan: oh you mean
a new version of perl? i see that 5.22 is going to come out.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:33:59; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing
a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was
a master painter learned his craft by trying h
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:31:01; mircea_popescu: dude what
a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.
guruvan: I'm not too bad with python but zomg - perl is just....well. I can't believe
a new version came out that for sure
BingoBoingo: Smith machines have
a long history of controversy
pete_dushenski: "Luke is not
a troll. He does think outside the box." << ya mkay
mod6: i gotta get that new version published. but im thinking that before I do so, i wanna have
a few other things done too.
mod6: there's
a guy actually writing
a js one too lol
mod6: well, to BingoBoingo's point... Alf provided the first implementation and POC, i just took it
a few steps further in mine.
mod6: the idea of V is
a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch.
☟︎ mod6: on my list of things to work on is also
a high-level document for V -- sort of an RFC. that'd probably be better to start with, but sadly doesn't exist yet.
mod6: ya, there is
a quick-start guide, and
a full run down of functionallity provided. might be worth
a read through before you dig in.
guruvan: BingoBoingo: can you point me to
a patch - I'll make the change
mod6: i wanna send
a bunch of more txs to the foundations addy and debug while im doing that.
guruvan: mod6: not sure what you're testing - I just put together
a docker image with the v0.5.3 code on thebitcoin.foundation site
mod6: couldn't even make an
a.out
mod6: the main issue is here, that i mainly just use this instance for build tests & full-sync tests. but the debugging i wanna do now, requires
a fully syncd chain.
guruvan: oic - I didn't notice the musl libc - I've not built one of those yet - but - did you write
a whole profile for it?
guruvan: just happen to be building
a buncha gentoo docker images today
guruvan: mod6: cannot run C compiled programs? sounds like maybe you've not got
a correct toolchain? how're you building ?
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