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mircea_popescu: point remains this is one of the most basic items of civilisation. it's been gotten right by most cultures throughout the many decades.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know what also is tricky ? anal sex.
mircea_popescu: the principal limit is in people's heads, not in the fucking reality surroundant.
mircea_popescu: human tards wondered about greek fire for 12 centuries.
mircea_popescu: obv, the dumb had something to steal the smart wanted. there'd be no story otherwise.
mircea_popescu: anyway. prometeus stole from the dumb to give to the smart.
mircea_popescu: it's zeus, a sort of nero, the overpowerful lucky bastard.
mircea_popescu: but anyway - the greek idea of gods doesn't have them as a sort of christian deity, omnipotent, all wise etc. it's not fucking allah.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so the myth was reinterpreted, by later imbeciles, who don't even speak greek.
mircea_popescu: and gave it to the smart guys who tohught to pile all the meat in the smalelr pile.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary - he stole it to the sort of retards who'd pick the large pile of bones skins and fat
mircea_popescu: not really. there's no record that he went and gave it to retards.
mircea_popescu: it... isn't. it fucking isn't. the point of technology is the complete and utter oppression of idiots.
mircea_popescu: i dunno when or why the prevailing notion of "software" and "technology", at least in english and its dominions, became "it is for to make ordinary people (ie, rank imbeciles) like gods!"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so you do everyone the favour of taking out the lazy "terrorist" groups ? thank you ?
mircea_popescu: for instance by rejecting outliers in a set. what you're doing then, in proper terms, is saying "since we have all this space left in the hierarchy cube, how about we use it to improve the dataset while still pretending it's just a sheet"
mircea_popescu: in fact, it's even aware of this ; and it has some (primitive, axe hewn) methods to use the proper space to "improve" its data
mircea_popescu: but, importantly, statistics works on datapoints - which are each as much a datapoint as all the others ! this is major.
mircea_popescu: (note however that "statistical models" are so horrible in doing simple things such as "election outcome" prediction as to not lend much credence to this theory.)
mircea_popescu: it may be flattenable, and a large part of what we'll be doing is explore those graphs etc, but atm this is premature, we don't even have a prototype.
mircea_popescu: statistical models only work on statistical data. ie, flat.
mircea_popescu: that's the otp-likeness contemplated, you know the place where this is discussed in the logs ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you're not connected, how do you distinguish what was said from what might have been said from what wasn't actually said ?
mircea_popescu: in short, i oppose the socially destructuring, anti elitist and equalitarian nature of signatures.
mircea_popescu: gossipd does "for friends ears only". and the only way to make sure that can't happen, si by signing things. because once signed, they're definitionally for everyone equally well.
mircea_popescu: it's not that i'm against signatures or anything of the sort. it's just that i understand their domain. an item is signed when the auctorial intention is "for this to stand now and forever to any and all who may come".
mircea_popescu: signatgures have their utility. they have been (perhaps deliberately, in any case stupidly) misused by the usg.cypherpunk "movement".
mircea_popescu: (redundancy for v - meant strictly in the sense of, an alternative to moving tarball by hand)
mircea_popescu: now, taking a tiny incremental step by providing redundancy for v while at the same time trying a udp implementation si a very sensible move at this juncture.
mircea_popescu: but all this stuff aside, back to the important point here : the "gossipd-like" thing contemplated for moving signed material (ie, v stuff) around is very much a different beast from the actual gossipd, which doesn't work on signed material ; presumably doesn't work on tcp etc.
mircea_popescu: get some of that lulzy "we know it's here but we can't turn it off because red tape" bonus going on.
mircea_popescu: which, literally, six dude's servers, half of which provided by nsa.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of how we implemented log bots that work, on the basis of whatever was there before, which apparently didn't work, or at least didn't work as well or w/e.
mircea_popescu: if we have to leave freenode before gossipd is ready we'll reimplement ircd.
mircea_popescu: what, you're going to make a tank ? "new from mercedes. six gun ports."
mircea_popescu: nobody afaik starts discussion of new car model with "Suppose the islamists invade our plant"
mircea_popescu: how about we don't mix discussions of prototyping with discussion of random opsec challenges.
mircea_popescu: (not to mention - you brought it up, entirely ungermane to the discussion, so you can't now detrimentally rely on it.)
mircea_popescu: just because owner currently automated a hole into the ship doesn't mean that hole doesn't come with a pre-made hatch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is an orthogonal concern which entirely does not belong in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: how would it send a challende encrypted to a key it does not have ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i mean it already does this lol. necessarily.
mircea_popescu: you still can't answer, for lack of a way to form your answer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes restate the whole thing. apparently there's a knot somewhere.
mircea_popescu: it does currently extend the courtesy of replying to unknowns, but this is not required.
mircea_popescu: how would you send otps to check to a person you don't know ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but, to briefly rewind, << and following. static linking, not dynamic linking. your "the mechanism described in mircea_popescu's sketch." symbol is not acceptabru.
mircea_popescu: i just dunno what you're saying starting 8 lines ago. "<asciilifeform> it could if you were both sybils today."
mircea_popescu: ah, with an invariant c. so how do you break it ? or what ?
mircea_popescu: a network between a and b who have BOTH been replaced ?
mircea_popescu: i'd say it's actually "nothing to all comers" guaranteedly, you can't break this even if you want to.
mircea_popescu: it does. because if it doesn't know me, it can't answer to my syn now can it.
mircea_popescu: how not ? again. syn -> 5db1fee4b5703808c48078a76768b155b421b210c0761cd6a5d223f4d99f1eaa -> 1337 -> ack.
mircea_popescu: understand, from the fact you observe deedbot has accepted my order you do not know anything other than that - to DEEDBOT it is acceptable. ie, you're uysing a priest. this is fine.
mircea_popescu: except a working model of 1 is already both deployed and theoretically understood, as described above.
mircea_popescu: shinohai we'rte talking from the pov of the lord not the pleb here. priest does exactly as told or else fucks goats in the receptive sense of the term.
mircea_popescu: if you have signed matter, then definite things can be said. otherwise - you need a priest.
mircea_popescu: the "decrypt to whatever you want" part is not about the rsagram itself, but about the structure of relationships.
mircea_popescu: in any case rsa signatures are contrary to this, however.
mircea_popescu: it's my considered oppinion it does, if used as above.
mircea_popescu: no "you can't decrypt it". but "you can decrypt it, of course. to anything you wish."|
mircea_popescu: what's more important is that gossipd works like otp : "sure you can decrypt this text mr evil. WHAT would you like it to decrypt to ?"