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BingoBoingo: And there's a big long history with that.
BingoBoingo: punkman: Falkvinge comes from a very peculair form of socialism I like to refer to Consumermunism
punkman: lol Falkvinge, "If there's no profit to be made in using bitcoin as a drop-in replacement for credit card payments, bitcoin will not be deployed at scale. Deployment and outcompeting legacy systems depend entirely on merchant financial gains from rollout." ☟︎
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: my original attempt at v manifesto was largely about how... it is a weapon.
assbot: USG in BTC, a history of constant failure : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBCpw5 )
BingoBoingo: Oh what made what where nao https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41jzly/usg_in_btc_a_history_of_constant_failure/
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 15:15:10; mod6: Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks.
punkman: uppercase verbs for #b-a RFC: MUST, MUST NOT, FUCK YOU ☟︎
ascii_butugychag: rather than the 'how', which is bound up in a particular implementation and probably best learned from ~reading its src~
ascii_butugychag: at any rate, the large part of what i see as needing a manual, is the ~why~ of v
mircea_popescu: anyway, a large part of trying to make a manual is that fuck me, we barely even understand what we're doing.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: machine only runs a flattened (pressed) item anyway
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this is going towards "animated programs", where instead of looking at a program as a[n ultimately] bitmap you instead look at it as a gif, with layers coming on top of each other.
mircea_popescu: but ima put it first as an article so we don't end up needing a ton of small fixes signed
mircea_popescu: is that a good name for it ? kinda confusing as fuck
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i'm going to do here is : write a trilema article titled The V Manual Genesis or something, which will discuss but also contain a genesis for something called v-manual
ascii_butugychag: there is not a meta-america whose pants these engineers want to put on.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 16:21:29; deedbot-: [Trilema] USG in BTC, a history of constant failure - http://trilema.com/2016/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/
ascii_butugychag: ^ whole history of kompoyoooting as-a-field, aha.
mircea_popescu: "This devastating outcome for stakeholders indicates what can happen when much brainpower and energy are applied to a faulty premise."
ascii_butugychag: (though i recently bought a strange widget that puts electric current through your wrist and keeps you from barfing, nfi how, but wurks, so we can see again!)
mircea_popescu: tel lyou what, i'ma make it a v instead, fuck this stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: "The RFC Editor generally follows these accepted rules as defined by the Chicago Manual of Style (CMOS) [CMOS], with a few important exceptions to avoid ambiguity in complex technical prose and to handle mixtures of text and computer languages, or to preserve historical formatting rules." << kids, this is how not to code.
mircea_popescu: da fuck. am i going to call it a rfc ? if not, why not, if yes am i going to follow the "guidelines" ? which ? the most recent ? who the fuck is "Internet Architecture Board (IAB)" that i should care, nevber heard of 'em. the original ? seriously, postel ?
mircea_popescu: consider this scenario : bitcoin in 2020. mod6 has meanwhile gone hunting seals on the artic circle. you live in a remote mining colony up on the fucking moon.
deedbot-: [Trilema] USG in BTC, a history of constant failure - http://trilema.com/2016/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: don't laugh, it's a necessary consequence.
mircea_popescu: you can't get those people in a room together to sign a new genesis.
ascii_butugychag: rather than a randomly selected one of 100 newton-era drafts
mircea_popescu: and your guess depends on how people software as a much lower node on that tree.
mircea_popescu: for the following reason : v adoption will induce a major shift in how software is treated,
mircea_popescu: but this is not a matter to be handwaved.
ascii_butugychag: it isn't a numeric thing
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 15:59:27; ascii_butugychag: after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis.
ascii_butugychag: or how kalash buttstock is not built to be a dildo.
ascii_butugychag: i will leave the 'why' as an exercise. largely because this is not a pressing issue.
ascii_butugychag: has anyone a position on whether patches oughta be broken into atoms ? ☟︎
mod6: jurov: oh ok, you were gonna have the ML dump the vpatch & seal out to a second mirror?
jurov: mod6 if it can validate a signature (by name, NOT by scanning all files), it will add to its v mirror ☟︎
mod6: its a good start to just not mangle the filenames -- thats all set now right?
ascii_butugychag: what i say is that REGARDLESS of the names, if THE CRYPTO is valid, it is a VALID patch/seal tuple.
ascii_butugychag: in EXACTLY same way as my trb node does THE SAME amount of number crunching whether it hears a block from gavin's node or from mircea_popescu's.
ascii_butugychag: the other thing i oughta mention is that imho a core principle of v-ism is that it is impermissible for trust to be implicitly delegated.
ascii_butugychag: after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis. ☟︎☟︎
ascii_butugychag: because i don't believe that any project has any business cancerously growing patches until this turns into a serious boojum.
ascii_butugychag: and i don't see it as a serious boojum
jurov: so if there is a RFC someday you're against specifying filename convention?
ascii_butugychag: (or rather, a slightly improved 'v' will run, existing one requires patch name to remain same)
mod6: a long time ago. we had a different convention.
jurov: instead of *.vpatch.*.sig you have *.vpatch.sig filenames which are a bit easier to work with
ascii_butugychag: more than one person signs a patch
jurov: i want filename.vpatch that i can just take and slap .sig in the end of it to find a signature
ascii_butugychag: i could even see the argument that 'signer' oughta be a gpg fp
ascii_butugychag: why tie to filesystem oddities that may go away when we get a sane os ?
mircea_popescu: if i want to represent alf's signature as "asciilifeform", "ascii_butugychag" or more or just a subset, it should be up to me.
jurov: also, what if someone has a nick with _ ?
jurov: so imma have a regex like ([^_]+)_.*?\.vpatch\.(.*?)\.sig to find out something to feed to v?
mod6: take a look at these: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals/
mod6: <+jurov> oh when i see it: trinque and everyone, pls send detached signatures as <name>.sig << for V to work properly the sigfiles (seals) need to be named the same as the vpatch filename with a .sig on the end. is that what you're saying?
shinohai: I'm gonna give those a go today on the server, it's idle since I got latest patched.
mod6: Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks. ☟︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 05-05-2013 09:52:31; mircea_popescu: perhaps gavin, but only on the condition that he keeps quiet a lot on most issues.
mircea_popescu: there's a simple privacy breaking thing where a site feeding you a bunch of favicons can figure out where you've been by looking at which you load.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo I emailed f2pool, asked for their key and an invite to #b-a. May the fates be with you.
jurov: "It's really amazing that Chrome and Safari don't have a sanity check for the size of a favicon. When I load the root of this website on safari, the favicon automatically gets fetched...fetched..."
jurov: (the site won't crash it but describes a simpel way how)
gribble: Error: "hashrate" is not a valid command.
punkman: "the official exchange rate is 6.3 bolivars to the dollar. n the streets, a money changer will be happy to buy your dollars for 700 bolivars a piece." nice ratio
BingoBoingo appreciates the timing of this latest broomstick to happen with a US banking holiday on Monday
assbot: We Talked to a Witch Who Casts Viruses Out of Computers With Magic | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0JuS )
punkman: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/we-talked-to-a-witch-who-casts-viruses-out-of-computers-with-magic
mircea_popescu: The first time I went to Chipotle was around 2004, when the then-novelty of a burrito chain opened within two minutes walking distance from my high school."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and what is this "continue reading" thing ? << It's always been a thing. Keeps front page from reaching maxint length. Use started in early qntra when routinely dumping 10+ kiloword silk road document text into articles
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374605 << this is actually a good move, and the logical reaction to ascii's ban. << It is, but prolly ought to make sure power ranger nodes don't drop our connecion if we're expecteded to pass some flag while running protocol version 99999 ☝︎
danielpbarron: instructions worked for me and i wanted a way to reference them
mod6: <+guruvan> mod6: that image I made last night isn't working - there's a fork at block 168000 that it's not liking << yeah this is the original v0.5.3 right?
shinohai: Someone set up a phishing site LOL via: https://redd.it/41e094
assbot: 0 results for 'http://shapeshit.io/' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fshapeshit.io%2F
mircea_popescu: she kept a blog years ago but didn't write much in it. she did write asylum with me, so there's that.
punkman: did she ever keep a blog, memoirs?
mircea_popescu: As a solution, Ms. McCuller created her own search engine, an amalgam of other search sites that does not force the user to move slowly around the site and wade through advertisements to find the right place to enter a query. Search words are entered at the top of the page, and appropriate links are displayed above all other material as well. Users do not need to tab through extraneous material."
mircea_popescu: That is because the blind, even with text‑reading software, cannot glance at a page. There is no way for them to get a quick visual overview of a site�s contents and make mental notes about where it would be worthwhile clicking and exploring later. Rather, the blind must laboriously click from line to line, determining by a process of elimination where they want to go.
mircea_popescu: "Marti McCuller, a legally blind Web site developer, was frustrated by her difficulty in navigating through search engines. �My text‑to‑speech software let me read the various search sites,� she said, �but they often put so many links on a page it became hard to use.�
guruvan: lol - gentoo "a snowflake's chance of working" << probably not much more, but at least you know why it's broken
ben_vulpes: "why gentoo?" asked $bzprtner, "is that the best linux thing around for working on mega-c projects?" "no, it's simply the least-worst and has a snowflake's chance of working"
asciilifeform: oddest beast i ever had gentoo on was a hp pa-risc.
assbot: 2 results for 'from:BingoBoingo mac bsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3ABingoBoingo+mac+bsd
ben_vulpes: with a mouse, on a house
ben_vulpes is doing the same thing he's been doing for the past three weekends, building a sane development environment on actual metal
guruvan: why this is even in the code in the first place is a mystery
guruvan: there some more docs on the rotor script? this looks like the mojo I'm looking for for the simple docker "whip up a node for testing" builds
asciilifeform: #6508 61457c2 Switch to a constant-space Merkle root/branch algorithm. << anybody have the time/energy to look? i don't...
asciilifeform: i saw a .sh, assumed pre-v
mircea_popescu: so a month old.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> holy shit, year-old instructions ?!!1 << the link he gave references a log line by me from just before xmas.
guruvan: I got V working, synced and all, just not tried to do a build with it yet
mircea_popescu: lotta people suddenly got interested, caught us with the pants down in a very wrong spot to have pants down.
guruvan: I'm not using that - I'm building straight from a tarball
mircea_popescu: listen, ben_vulpes mod6 you gotta have a process to prevent this situation. no documentation is bad. wrong or obsolete documentation is way way worse.
guruvan: asciilifeform: working on a trb docker image - looks like was 168000 p2sh ?