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mircea_popescu: famous last words, these, "i didn't see it coming"
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 that you don't see doesn't mean jack shit.
mjr_: and i wouldn't be surprised if the price shoots up as eveeryone wants to get btc to transfer out
mjr_: so you can't get cash out...
mjr_: actually i don't think they will freeze assets
KRS-1: so US Homeland Security is supposed to freeze assets in a foreign exchange that they can or can't prove belong to U.S. citizens?
deadweasel: atlanta doesn't sound safe at all
KRS-1: so like..where are my funds and btc going if i don't get out of gox?
mjr_: by the way, Ron Swanson (parks and recreation) says "Don't trust big banks or small banks, banks are ponzi schemes run by morons"
mircea_popescu: it really doesn't not make sense properly until you'cve read it all
davout: two first posts don't really give much info
mjr_: because he didn't feel comfortable
mjr_: but he didn't buy
mjr_: some of the others didn't make it
mjr_: it doesn't have to be a park
mjr_: and they didn't even ask us what we were doing
mjr_: i don't
KRS-1: T'sup mjr..which exch do you use
usagi: dub I know you want to sound smart and put me down but that doesn't make any sense.
dub: hemorrhoids don't count
usagi: Might as well get a fourth ball too I guess. Three doesn't quite cut it anymore with my new workload.
usagi: There are two chances for us. One, technology increases so fast that big brother can't keep up...
deadweasel: i didn't have any money then, now I have bitcoin --this gives me hope.
usagi: And soon.. they won't let you leave >:)
usagi: If you didn't leave when countryside police started getting APCs you aren't going to leave
mircea_popescu: "- The matters we discuss are quite important, as I don't know how operative the Bitcoin Foundation is in the middle of this lawsuit, MP is for some reason still ridiculing me despite my attempts to establish contact, also it should be obvious that the USD/BTC exchanges in their current form cannot support millibitcoin's price going much past $1, and therefore need to be overridden as soon as possible."
mircea_popescu: bah i don't have it logged. maybe kako does
mircea_popescu: i really can't decide what's more amusing : the tortilla nutjob going unbridled
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
dub: bitches don't know about my bitcoinz
mircea_popescu: "This fiasco happened in the atmosphere of relaxedness without the lightest malice from my part - quite the contrary - everybody who was there can prove my dedication towards making this thing the best in their lives. I don't think the organizations of evil can do any better, if even the organizations of good (such as Vuoristo-Yhtiöt and their Haikko Manor) fail to remain operative when the reality hits them too hard."
mircea_popescu: dub i wouldn't have, but i'd have ordered someone do it.
jurov: that's easy to approve if you don't need to cash out
mircea_popescu: which country doesn't have room for 20 people ? tuvalu ?
mircea_popescu: romania doesn't grand asylum to fucktards.
optimator: Doesn't Romania fit that description?
mircea_popescu: you don't understand roleplay do you ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone even heard of the steamy security room before.
bgupta: Not gonna say I didn't see it coming… as I did and deliberately decided to be on the correct side of history. If more than one person came to the same conclusion at different points in time, more power to em.
mircea_popescu: bgupta i guess you didn't read http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ back in 2012
benkay: the money hasn't run out on gox yet
mircea_popescu: best proof that mtgox doesn't really matter one could imagine.
benkay: toplogically identical to "if fewer people traded on gox it wouldn't have the lag problems it does"
benkay: "you" can't pay them off, truffles
benkay: and that wasn't a hoax?
mircea_popescu: certainly doesn't prove it.
mircea_popescu: he did risk a lot of money on it tho, and he doesn't really have preorders or even a site
jcpham: can't believe i bought asicminer shares so cheap
mircea_popescu: well didn't he make his own chan and everything rather than pipe into assbot ?
mircea_popescu: it seems ukto's decision to split off didn't work out for him then, i recall it was about at parity with btctc
mircea_popescu: but this isn't economical thinking.
Namworld: I shouldn't have sold at .41 I guess...
mircea_popescu: "we won't mention where we got this from, god forbid we actually get some market goodwill"
Namworld: Don't the devs are already trying to come up with such a solution anyway?
Namworld: and I don't know enough to know what is and what is not implementable
Namworld: ezdiy, I wouldn't mind some system where non-miners wouldn't need the whole blockchain. But I'm not sure that's even implementable.
Namworld: Hmm... I don't think so...
mod6: lol and wouldn't a QR tat just blur/fade? better to get firstbits maybe
dub: I don't hink they make ricin from rice
mircea_popescu: Disclaimer: I don't know the much about stock/shares, etc and I don't have the ability to program such a complex piece of software – but I believe I can make it happen and think this is currently a good idea. Please critque my idea. I'm open minded about all of it.
mod6: when i first moved down there 10 years ago, there wasn't any real border patrol presense, but now? huge.
mircea_popescu: on a yearly basis yeah, immigration isn't what the 80s used to be
asciilifeform: "who do you sue when your parachute doesn't open"
asciilifeform: anyone who cried over the ending of "shall be delivered" (http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/) hasn't really made peace with the cold equations yet.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, a relationship of trust isn't a weakpoint per se. it can be a strongpoint.
mircea_popescu: optimator i don't even mean you personally
mircea_popescu: just because you're a shut-in doesn't mean the world can work on your paradigm.
optimator: mircea_popescu: I agree your model works, but if, in my example, c does bad stuff - I don't think you can tell. You simple have trusted others in the chain
optimator: asciilifeform: please we call it a haircut, don't refer to the customers as chumps
asciilifeform: banks, interestingly, don't terribly mind being hackable, because sovereigns can sort of reverse their fuckups for them. and at any rate, they pass the cost onto chumps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't seem to have much trouble buying a computer
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's anything of the sort.
asciilifeform: "The "you don't own your computer" paradigm is not merely wrong. It is violently, disastrously wrong, and the consequences of this error are likely to be felt for generations to come, unless steps are taken to prevent it."
mircea_popescu: optimator for some reason i don't see the problem you see ?
asciilifeform: what most people don't get is that your computer is your priest, doctor, and shrink all in one box: http://glyf.livejournal.com/46589.html
optimator: wasn't it all? I mean what could go wrong with a local hosts file?
asciilifeform: but the chumps love it (except when they don't, yes)
mircea_popescu: i don't think she actually understood before what sessions are and how they work
asciilifeform: someone should sit with the chump, and patiently explain that mtgox doesn't talk to your yubikey. it talks to your idiot consumer pc that happens to have a yubikey plugged in, and a display that can output whatever your new owner wants it to.
optimator: asciilifeform: doesn't it work if you start with the base as the secure OS. Then virtualize your browsing OS, virtualize your bitcoind OS, virtualize your banking OS, but the base is secure
asciilifeform: vm escapes run the spectrum from the apocalyptic to the "it always worked this way and we don't give a fuck"
asciilifeform: ok, wasn't me this time. but "I approve of this message (tm)"
mircea_popescu: "Then running your operating system on the other side of this brand new pile of shit. You are absolutely deluded, if not stupid, if you think that a worldwide collection of software engineers who can't write operating systems or applications without security holes, can then turn around and suddenly write virtualization layers without security holes."
mircea_popescu: you hadn't noticed ?!
optimator: asciilifeform: don't forget this approach to compromising ssl sercurity - https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/sjs/how-the-nokia-browser-decrypts-ssl-traffic-a-man-in-the-client/
mircea_popescu: i don't think it has anything to do with the 2fa mtgox issue but anyway
mircea_popescu: "In fact, scratch the social engineering, you don't need to convince someone to run your .exe if you can just run your .exe for them via a Java drive-by attack, and admit it, you've left Java installed for extended periods of time, even if you try to keep it uninstalled normally."
mircea_popescu: "I haven't nor will I ask for donations. This truly sucks for me, but I only want to find out how this happened. I wish I could see the code/method used for educational purposes. Fuck people who steal. I strive for bitcoins and litecoins to gain popularity among the masses and become an accepted currency in societies eyes." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: optimator the reason girl said anything/i'm leading some credence to the claim of 2fa is because this isn't the first case i've heard.
mircea_popescu: but it wouldn't be the first website with a broken 2fa implementation.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be the first website
mircea_popescu: well a 51% attack wouldn't generate btc.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, they don't trust themselves enough to believe their eyes. if respected people don't say there's a problem, there's no problem.
mircea_popescu: zero impact, for that matter. the lemmings aren't in this channel. they will never know today happened
asciilifeform: at this point, the objective wouldn't necessarily be a straightforward monetary one, but to drive people to questionable altchains
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
asciilifeform: and don't make the mistake of thinking that all is well just because the universe looks as expected through your particular peephole.
asciilifeform: doesn't change the fact of the newly-perforated meat, though
optimator: plus you'd have to get the new block because you don't know what txs were included in it
optimator: it doesn't work that way. The block height is incorporated into the hash function. So you can know what to push unless you know the block you are working on