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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is apparently determined to maliciously run s.nsa into the ground, and pin the corpse on asciilifeform . ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: apparently , that asciilifeform touched'em
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants them at his house to use as boat anchor -- oughta specify this. they dun do much good here on desk.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's unclear to me these are even dc worthy in any sense.
mircea_popescu: so how many of 1, 2 or 3 do i want to fit in a 1u slot ?
asciilifeform: i will let him speak re exact time.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 17:48 ben_vulpes: i have one 1U slot open in my next courier run to .uy, if anyone wants their machine couriered down speak NOW or i'm going to fill it with a box of my choice
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: transport has been arranged. what remains is 1) mircea_popescu wants'em in ? if so, how many (1,2,3?) 2) what type of disks he wants in #2 and #3 ( also remains option to outfit with disks at later time, after installation )
mircea_popescu: iirc a) they were nsa boxes and b) the problem there was transportation, after you managed to get them locked out of the phf flight that ended up not happening
asciilifeform: oh while mircea_popescu is tuned in: bisp ( of which asciilifeform is 50% in ) awaits instructions re disposition of the 3 mircea_popescu boxen
asciilifeform: it's entirely fine afaik to negrate honest people
mircea_popescu: mod6 yes but if you don't sort them by time-productivity you'll end up in the soup.
mod6: I get your meaning though.
mod6: mircea_popescu: well, sure. I have a lot of things going on tho lol.
mod6: mircea_popescu: well, never the less, I'm still very much behind the utility of ffa
mod6: i think we may need some good data collected to come up with a list of arch's that leak
mircea_popescu: mod6 you are talking to a man who spent his time dicking about and as a result is getting delorded. ☟︎
mod6: yeah, no. it's fine. i was happy to build/run. to me this is all very exciting/important stuff. back when alf was doing the karatsuba and other things in the late summer/fall, this type of thing started to be contimplated for innerloop substitute.
mircea_popescu: what's that do ?
asciilifeform: i do not order mod6 , 'go and make such a test', no.
asciilifeform: sorta like asciilifeform's spending time making no sort of wage, writing the proggy to begin with , neh
mircea_popescu: so his spending his time making less than minimum wage for it is basically his choice, you're just talking into the internet box ? is that the logic ?
asciilifeform: mod6 tried his hand at 'tester of whether ffa really does constanttime modexp'; asciilifeform comments on 1 set of output. is all.
mircea_popescu: so what's this all about ?
asciilifeform: it is not in fact essential to find the answer ~now~.
mircea_popescu: if you find now as opposed to whenever someone runs it, this differential is worth the difference between what and what ?
asciilifeform: well it's worth the diff b/w actual constanttime and... not
mircea_popescu: how much is that worth ?
asciilifeform: currently the 2 known inhabitants of this list are ppc and arm7
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to find which chips one is condemned to use egyptian innerloop MUL-substitute on.
asciilifeform: but yes this calls for a proper test, with rdtsc, then buncha MUL, then rdtsc again
mircea_popescu: what is the expected gain here ?
mod6: aha, was thinking that's what you were thinking.
asciilifeform: this is also ok. just be sure to write down, which iron.
mod6: only problem is: results aren't apples to apples.
asciilifeform: it's ok to build on one machine and run -- on other. static .
mod6: anyway, on the mule, i never did get adacore running properly. this lappy is the only box i got adacore '16 running on thus far.
mod6: i have this mule box that i strap workloads to (core2duo box) -- should be fine as long as CPU isn't saturated, and during this test, the lappy was only like at .7 load or w/e
asciilifeform: ideally would want also not merely 'all 0' and 'all 1' but rng, and then to plot time vs hammingweight, and look for correlation
mod6: sure. i may want to re-run this entire thing anyway... i kinda dumbly ran this on my laptop.
asciilifeform: ( after errything else, that is, is done to death )
asciilifeform: this prolly calls for a proper test with rdtsc. but i'm saving this for 'dessert'
asciilifeform: mod6: start however by moving the two for-loops around in your tester
asciilifeform: mod6: well ideally somehow to swap the inodes. still thinking how one might arrange such a thing.
mod6: then hypothetically the timing values for ones and zeros should simply be reversed, no?
asciilifeform: mod6: fwiw i have found no consistent diff, to the 6th ( beyond that, the timer is useless ) on opteron
asciilifeform: mod6: and it would stand to be repeated with the files swapped ( to remove effect of, e.g., just where the given sample lives on disk physically )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784178 << this is veeeery interesting and i'd like to know what iron ☝︎
shinohai: "We were TOTALLY not responsible at all, keep sending us monies."
shinohai: The plot thickens on Conbase drama: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWNCbmsWsAAtvXE.jpg
ben_vulpes bbl, $child has announced bedtime by angrily tearing apart a couch to build a fort
ben_vulpes: aha ty
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nah, let me take care of that. 0.8 it was?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman "took me twice as long" ? ☟︎
mod6 is working on wrapping up all the things for V 99993
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/mr-dilworthy-falls-in-some-bad-company/ << Trilema - Mr. Dilworthy falls in some bad company.
mod6: asciilifeform: I did check if that the perf test was still running -- it was this am. I think it should finish sometime today.
shinohai: Pretty good here, gonna do an offline V test in a bit once I get a few more things squared away.
mod6: Oh not too bad. How about you?
mod6: mornin' TSMR~
shinohai: Plox feel free to edit as I have not advanced beyond first cup of coffee yet.
shinohai: gm trilema
mod6: Yeah, but that cocksucker from LTC too huh.
shinohai: Sadly, they cannot make any real arguments *against* running fully-validating node. So whatever fud sticks I suppose.
shinohai: Now we can censor ever so many more transactions together!
mod6: My node has been caught up for over 15 days, and looking good. I've added it to the Republican Trusted Node List; http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
shinohai: Not that I'm going to waste time asking the schmuck how running full node lets me censor tx's
BingoBoingo: My habitually exposed skin has actually tanned deeper here than most of the locals', but I am preserving my tan lines for the status symbol they are.
shinohai: "A gringo that it is constantly sober, his skin must be magic!"
BingoBoingo: Could be the recent ordeals has given me a harder appearance and manner of carriage? Or possibly the lower castes of orcs are developing a mythology.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, my clothes are the same. Just fit looser. And these are the same bums I have been seeing since December. So far harmless except for the time in January a less frequent one got insistent beyond his station and was corrected by his fellow bums.
asciilifeform: hm this could be problem, possibly yer clothes look foreign, BingoBoingo , need local rags
BingoBoingo: In other developments This week the residential bums around Montevideo Shopping have started addressing me as "Maestro" rather than "Amigo" when I walk by. The first time was Tuesday, then it happened again twice yesterday with different bums. Will advise how this situation develops.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell ave1 so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything
lobbes: asciilifeform: can use !Qlater tell in meantime
asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 so i finally tested, exhaustively, and turns out you were completely correct re the inline pragma, gcc ~sometimes~ ( when it wants... ) inlines when it is not given in the .ads . i'ma fix this in ch12, this find deserves own chapter, with re-done timings for errything
BingoBoingo: I read your brevity as sufficient editorial to hammer the cognitive dissonance here on the subject. Well done.
asciilifeform: ( hanging chads were the feature of 2000 election )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: *in place of* meant to be bold script
BingoBoingo: ^ ty alf
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/02/acute-pantsuit-inconsistency-shows-internal-disregard-for-their-illusion-of-franchise/ << Qntra - Acute Pantsuit Inconsistency Shows Internal Disregard For Their Illusion of "Franchise"
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/15/eucrypt-chapter-10-oaep-with-keccak-a-la-tmsr/ << Ossasepia - EuCrypt Chapter 10: OAEP with Keccak a la TMSR
asciilifeform: complete with Framedragger's gurl, 'Manning’s friend Isis Lovecruft, a cryptographer and Tor developer, as well as a WikiLeaks critic' etc
shinohai: http://archive.is/G5hdG <<< I wonder if wikileaks will leak the leaks ?
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, not only is zoolag unfailingly in sync, but today had personal record broken, 31 peers.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of shitware, https://archive.is/NPY51 >> irssi: 'Use after free when server is disconnected during netsplits', 'Use after free when SASL messages are received in unexpected order', 'Null pointer dereference when an "empty" nick has been observed by Irssi', a few others in same spirit
BingoBoingo: lulz that landed in my inbox from back home https://dailyegyptian.com/79217/showcase/usg-president-impeached-vote-of-no-confidence-for-chancellor-carlo-montemagno/
shinohai: sbcl.org "Project web is currently offline pending the final migration of its data to our new datacenter."
mod6: cool lobbes. Was a shot in the dark. :]
lobbes: But should have the rest of the usual supybot-type commands
lobbes: What shinohai said. lobbesbot still lacks: ticker, google search, and translate
shinohai: bot lacks ticker :/
asciilifeform: shinohai: what was the challenge then ? this was a box that came with an evil gcc originally ?
shinohai: Nah, I haven't graduated to musltronics yet unfortunately :/
asciilifeform: shinohai: this was a musltronic gcc or which
shinohai: Now I have like 2-3 days of logs to catch up on, been buried in man pages for past 72 hours.
shinohai: How goes on your end today?
shinohai: I think this is the best gentoo I've put together yet .... lappy boots in < 1 minute now
mod6: hey trinque, alright. you?