asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja watch the circus i filmed ? got similar one in ben_vulpeslandia ?

asciilifeform: people come factory-standard with this penny in the fuse socket, 'i KNOW how...'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1565826 << almost any quasi-serious learning is about throwing nonsense out of one's head re 'i KNOW HOW IT WORX', whether 'i know how digestion works', 'money', 'arithmetic' ☝︎

asciilifeform: with massive gilded arseplug

asciilifeform: it is great. gigantic gilded arse.

asciilifeform: the wetness of water, surely, subject also to POLICYMAKERS

asciilifeform: sun -- to rise, etc.

asciilifeform: it is spoken in such a way that implies that if 'policymakers' made 'policy' to this effect, electrons would cease to spin in their orbits

asciilifeform: the way a dctard pronounces word 'policy' is something that must be experienced with own ears.

asciilifeform: the flow charts add 0 to the expressivity ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'drakon' is best illustration i've seen yet for mircea_popescu's 'graphics are for tards' thing

asciilifeform: very particular manner of speech

asciilifeform: it is very difficult to convey how these people talk

asciilifeform: btw in food shop bunch of 'dudebros' discussing tritler , were excellent comedy, went on and on, shaking hipsterbeards, re how 'it won't be so bad, he will still have to WORK WITH POLICY MAKERS TO MAKE POLICY ... [snipped buncha washingtonian rubbish] ... and CANNOT CANCEL INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS!' etc.

asciilifeform: ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=202 << ooda loop )

asciilifeform: even 'labview', cosmetically similar, i can see how wins, it shortens 'ooda loop' to ~0 because the circuits can be tested in 'real time' with wysywyg blinkenlights. but this -- i've nfi.

asciilifeform: but to go upstack --- i see, e.g., this, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Quicksort_DRAKON.png , and have nfi how the thing wins.

asciilifeform: )

asciilifeform: (refal is what happened when su academics went 'they lisp? us too! but CATCH UP AND OUTRUN AMERIKKA'

asciilifeform: does he also use refal ?????

asciilifeform: holy FUCK jurov programs in weird sovlang !?

asciilifeform: jurov: same at my uni.

asciilifeform: plumbing is not difficult in the intellectual sense. but is question of how much shit you can stand to be soaked in.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565790 << word 'cs' threw me off. subj of thread was, apparently: plumbing. ☝︎

asciilifeform bbl

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i meant, very few threads used maths above basic algebra to follow

asciilifeform: should've went

asciilifeform: lel i'm in a diner and there's a screen showing continued protest derpage

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565762 << veeeery few of these were > 4th grade level , pete_dushenski ☝︎

asciilifeform: my arse

asciilifeform: it worked on asciilifeform and bunch of other chumps

asciilifeform: nfi

asciilifeform: the quoted bit

asciilifeform: lol i recall that one, it was one of the smoke bombs he threw to make readers think he were a chick

asciilifeform: worse than 'nothing', it is one of those deeply evil creations of idiotkind that make one stupider just by CONTACT

asciilifeform: will be swept away, like dust on a car in autumn.

asciilifeform: it is part of nothing .

asciilifeform: and, while the illness may be curable, it is rather like serious alcoholism, leaves its mark, cannot be forgotten.

asciilifeform: it is a sucking blackhole of idiocy, so strong that anyone who has dealt with it in any serious capacity is contaminated

asciilifeform: and certainly not 'dynamic languages'.

asciilifeform: javascript does not exemplify anything -- other than the consequences of letting idiot 'esl' teenagers create infrastructure.

asciilifeform: lel, i apparently -- also.

asciilifeform: peter I ~did~ build a ship at some point. (but it is not for what he is remembered..) ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'в чужой монастырь...'

asciilifeform: 'own terms' is a sin.

asciilifeform: gotta invent the pieces.

asciilifeform: going to mars -- is doable. but not by simply jumping vigorously.

asciilifeform: the other thing, also from mircea_popescu's toolkit, that'd make this readily work, is the meta-isp thing

asciilifeform possibly grasps

asciilifeform: how did it go, 'courageous man is afraid, only idiot is not afraid'

asciilifeform: at any rate, the 'plug embrasure' approach -- worx

asciilifeform: the distinction between 'march, men, into machine gun fire, plug embrasure with your sorry arse' and 'pretend no machine gun' is perhaps too subtle for my orc brain

asciilifeform: isn't this kinda how mircea_popescu proposes to solve the problem of isp compulsion by meat sovereigns ? 'pretend not problem'

asciilifeform: such that one would not need heavy boxes, only relays.

asciilifeform: one component that would vastly simplify the job is gossip net.

asciilifeform: at any rate, i'd like to see 'tmsr isp' just as much as anyone. but the lack of berserkers willing to subsist on crumbs for ~0 ev, doing largely ~uninteresting and difficult chore, solely in the name of tmsr, is not mega-puzzle.

asciilifeform: and buddha, supposedly, even moar.

asciilifeform: and diogenes in turn beat the shit out of g. laddel..!1111

asciilifeform: 'spam isp' is an actual thing, they live, die. my (nonexpert) impression is that the business model is only barely +ev. sorta resembles (btc) mine.

asciilifeform: it ignores, and gets blackholed, then you need new one

asciilifeform straps on gas mask

asciilifeform: isp -- interesting. unless i vastly misunderstand what mircea_popescu meant by 'isp'.

asciilifeform: house is unmolested because uninteresting.

asciilifeform: house isn't trying to serve 13333333337w4r3z by the petabyte, neh?

asciilifeform: it looks to me as moar of a coca plantation and narcosub shipyard than pizzeria.

asciilifeform: the part that isn't clear to me is how it can be simultaneously -- a) 'tmsr'-friendly b) not owned & operated by a meat sovereign

asciilifeform: traditional isp - meh

asciilifeform: 'cuckoldtronic' isp as suggested not long ago by mircea_popescu , with the virii, is viable.

asciilifeform: upstream 'l3', 'at&t', etc. stoolies, keep whatever log they like.

asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/hBFcT >> 'President-Elect Donald Trump’s advisers are considering JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon for Treasury secretary, CNBC reported, citing two people familiar with the matter. Dimon isn’t interested, one of the people told CNBC.'

asciilifeform: '"If Ms. Rodham's not in the White House, that's okay — one of those girls is going to be,” she said. “We still have millions of nasty women who aren't going away.”'

asciilifeform: in other lulz:

asciilifeform: (for approx. same reason that there is not , at least in modern era, open, brazen, ru warez ftp; or even north kr warez.)

asciilifeform: because as i understand subj, this circle ain't squarable.

asciilifeform: to again revisit upstack, i would like to hear what mircea_popescu pictures would be a 'tmsr isp' .

asciilifeform: it would not astonish me if after recent 'snackbar' event at their airport, it will begin to resemble baltimore's

asciilifeform: that'd be it.

asciilifeform: was quite same in, say, germany, last i was there

asciilifeform: (the other thing that moves very slowly in passenger ship is the queue at the 911port. but that is a more recent thing.)

asciilifeform: but in old-fashioned death pod, 'fast!11'

asciilifeform: mainly the fault of parallax, anyone who has sat in a passenger plane will notice the ground, when visible, moves so very slowly.

asciilifeform: 'it dun FEEL fast!111'

asciilifeform: re the trains, i also recall reading of a similar dissatisfaction with 'modern' (sealed cabin) airplane, vs classic one

asciilifeform: nobody said that all appetites were compatible with reality.

asciilifeform: and not idiot cga 4.

asciilifeform: modern folk do secretly long for ancient world, where the palette still had all of the colours

asciilifeform: it.

asciilifeform: yes!!

asciilifeform: it escapes me

asciilifeform: recall his name ?

asciilifeform: and had to march in the gurl to prove she had not been impaled..

asciilifeform: he was put on trial for murder

asciilifeform: with clever bicycle saddle

asciilifeform: who filmed the 'impalement' scene

asciilifeform: i do recall this being a prblem with that italian dude

asciilifeform: did not until now even know about '12 makeup'.

asciilifeform: yeah, haven't seen.

asciilifeform: dun think so

asciilifeform: and now that you said it, it makes sense to me, the envy is of the harem, not the usd.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik there are even today occasional trials of 'pornographers' in usa, these are normally bones thrown to 'christian' electorate.