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mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of config setups : 1. pick a list of TRB nodes ; 2. add to ifconfig, deny all others ; 3. plug eth cable, congrats, you now have a secure box. go ahead install all the toolbar spyware you care to, won't matter.
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mircea_popescu: in an alt world, bitcoin blocks come once a day, are 737.280 MB in size, go around on CDs
gernika: np. one of these days I'm gonna find a bug or somethin :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: cd's aren't magic, but a cd press might serve a useful purpose for distributing samizdat that lasts.
mircea_popescu: it really should have a name, apparerntly i saved it variously as press.sh vconfig.sh etc
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure there's a hash in the script
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell trinque i may be exceptionally retarded today, but is there a reason why shit/Manifest.sha256 doesn't contain a hash for buildroot?
mircea_popescu: even if it usually turns out to have been a stupid idea/whatever, still whining in here is the right way to approach teh knot.
ben_vulpes: i'm struggling to build a cohesive mental model for the right way to approach this gordian knot
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 01:03:51; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cd laughs at magnetic field, at electrostatic discharge, has nothing that self-oxidates if in inert atmosphere. << Been doing cleaning and have taken to playing pressed cd's that by many rights out not be playing. (not a single cd-r from mess has played yet, including a few 5+ year old "archival" turds)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390320 <<< it's a lot easier to pretend cds are the golden standard of archival while sitting on a flac collection safely kept on a rpm hdd. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: logcially, if you're not willing to import a guy's key, why the fuck are you pulling his code. write your own or w/e.
mod6: i guess that may not be horribru. ask users to gather up pub keys, place in a separate dir other than .wot, import them into temp keyring, use them, and then remove the temp keyring when finished.
mod6: now, we could have automated this into a temp keyring
mircea_popescu: for that matter you know, bdb is also a piece of shit. and openshitmypants and so on.
mircea_popescu: it's a sore spot, but it's treated properly imo : quite clearly in the open.
mircea_popescu: museum nodes can be created as a derivative work at any time, they'll be as funky as pornography is. not real sex.
mircea_popescu: well i am unaware of this "cd based security paradigm" as anything other than a chewing-gum and ductape concoction of no practical consequence.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390077 << this is a bad idea inasmuch as it leaves my build process stranded, so i'll be stuck forever using current v and i suppose forever pressing 9996 then ? << yeah, i read your comments earlier on this. part of "battle-ready" to me means not only that it has lordship blessing, but it doesn't break any security paradigms that we m ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 00:44:05; mod6: oh looks like you can just pass it a dpaste
mircea_popescu: anyway, in fairness : we had a little bit of excited & explosive growth here past coupla months, will take a little to digest it into proper form.
mircea_popescu: yeah. and, of course, the code is the standard, so just read the script as a guide :D
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390077 << this is a bad idea inasmuch as it leaves my build process stranded, so i'll be stuck forever using current v and i suppose forever pressing 9996 then ? ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Has anyone yet tried making an alibaba shopping list for necessary equipment to start a cd replication line? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cd laughs at magnetic field, at electrostatic discharge, has nothing that self-oxidates if in inert atmosphere. << Been doing cleaning and have taken to playing pressed cd's that by many rights out not be playing. (not a single cd-r from mess has played yet, including a few 5+ year old "archival" turds) ☟︎
mod6: oh looks like you can just pass it a dpaste ☟︎
mod6: danielpbarron: do you wanna update the wiki as soon as there is a get-able deedbot entry for this?
mod6: trinque can you pu'http://dpaste.com/2VBF9V2.txt' in there (maybe run a dos2unix on it first) with a title like the other one ala 'build-bitcoind-V99996K.sh' or whatever?
ben_vulpes: it's a joke!
jurov: and search.b-a won't find anything immediately useful
shinohai: I'm doing a fresh, vanilla image so imma see what happens.
mod6: yeah, we got a bunch of files that differ. but i might have built something that you haven't.
mod6: if this works, i'll do a clean and then grab the file hashes.
mod6: i can take a look, give me a few.
phf: can someone with a full press (including shiva 2) verify that this is remotely correct hashes http://paste.lisp.org/display/306216 ?
asciilifeform: 'a' is lunacy - there is NO more durable machine-readable storage presently known.
mircea_popescu: it's more or less a 1966 argument that "it is not possible to alter a vinyl disc once printed because hurr durr the plastic will melt"
asciilifeform: it is germane if it illuminates the hypothesis of 'can't quietly flip a bit on this'
mircea_popescu: the cd remains a sort of vinyl disc, for a, b and c above.
asciilifeform: there is a reason why cd-r uses dye rather than metal for the burn layer.
asciilifeform: it has good thermal conductivity. i can't make so much as a dent in aluminum foil with 40W co2 tube.
asciilifeform: (incidentally this is a first-class bitch to do with aluminum, esp. if you want the result to be visually inconspicuous, and not, say, a hole through the WHOLE disk sandwich.)
mircea_popescu: you wanna press a vinyl copy of it... whatevs floats your boat but dun go all fetish-hypster on me
mircea_popescu: so to summarize : a) they're less resilient than you imagine them to be ; b) they're more rewritable than you imagine them to be ; c) keepi9ng them around requires keeping a whole pile of kludge that never worked right (cd drivers etc).
asciilifeform: in order for the idea to have any meaning, it has to be a pressed cd.
mircea_popescu: and also it's trivial to rewrite a cd. most of them are rewritable realy.
mircea_popescu: so paper is in this sense the same as --clearsign. a cd is not that, not even remotely.
mircea_popescu: i don't even see the value of maintaining the cd as a thing in the world. it can go the way of the celuloid film afaic.
asciilifeform: you can push a tarball to your online box.
mircea_popescu: so then you internet a signed binary over rather than a v tree. meh.
asciilifeform: but as a standard.
mircea_popescu: now, mind, i don't think it's wrong to have a cast cd of the thing, just like i don't think it's wrong to have an iridium idol of the "meter" somewhere in france
mircea_popescu: all convenience is sinful by this measure. there's nothing wrong with a little sin.
asciilifeform: i get that this is convenient. i did this with some of my nodes. but ultimately this is a sinful sort of convenience.
asciilifeform: and a box on the other end, incidentally.
asciilifeform: wget entails a vast shitstack.
mircea_popescu: there's a time and place for all things.
mircea_popescu: looky : your design whereby a better water piping system consists of introducing a one foot gap somewhere so people can be employed to run the water across in buckets isn't as brilliant as it seems.
asciilifeform: building battlefield crypto bin on a box with no nic is the Right Thing.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 18:13:03; asciilifeform: how would you feel about a table saw that walks around looking for what to saw ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390047 << how do you feel about a slut walking around looking for a cock to suck ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 19:32:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390020 << they do get signed. seems a minor point, how you get them.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 18:07:37; asciilifeform: but in all seriousness, a battlefield trb oughta be built on a virginal airgapped box.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390020 << they do get signed. seems a minor point, how you get them. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 17:51:53; mod6: i do a lot of testing etc. often if I'm actually going to change a line of code, i'll press out a seperate branch call it 'foo', go in there copy a & b, then make changes in b. make a vpatch. drop it in my live bitcoin branch, rebuild with the rotor. bunch of stuff.
asciilifeform: and 'The timing of Saturday's announcement is slightly awkward for the White House. On Friday, security researcher Ashkan Soltani revealed that he was denied a security clearance to work there as a senior advisor to U.S. CTO Megan Smith. While Soltani declined to speculate on the government's reason to refuse the clearance, he previously worked with the Washington Post on analyzing documents from NSA leaker Edward Snowden.'
phf: asciilifeform: right, it's a state transition graph, with edges corresponding to file changes
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 01:42:16; punkman: does the trb server have room for a buildatron that eats patches and craps out bitcoind's?
mod6: actually, it might just elimiate a bunch of tests.
mod6: i gotta re-write a lot of automated tests and stuff too.
mod6: and seems to work ok... but i'll hvae to test this quite a bit.
asciilifeform: arm is a british design.
asciilifeform: jurov: i want a non-nato computer.
TomServo: or a nob to include a local path, else procurement?
ben_vulpes: a small step to the disc would be to slam buildroot, openssl, bdb and boost into a tar.gz and stick it on the website.
mod6: i guess v99995 could rip all that stuff out. certainly would condense the code a bit.
asciilifeform: how would you feel about a table saw that walks around looking for what to saw ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Stallman, though, thought that it would be better discussed in private: "This a sensitive issue; it is best to discuss it without an audience."' << sad.
jurov: "the Emacs unexec() function that converts the running program into a new executable."
mod6: maybe in 6 months to a year, then we'll be in a spot where it's in a more hardened form. takes some time, and people using it to flush some of the shit out.
asciilifeform: but in all seriousness, a battlefield trb oughta be built on a virginal airgapped box. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: we should really do a bsd, and sell the discs for a bitdime each.
mod6: yeah... there's a handful. i dunno, makes me nervous.
asciilifeform: half a dozen
mod6: just a lot of 'em .
asciilifeform: there is what, a few 100M of them ?
asciilifeform: re: the hardware pr0n link earlier, it is a good example of what i call an ~iridium toilet~ - as DISTINCT from a golden toilet, it is a device that is build with 1) price is no object 2) NOT FOR showing off and playing idiot tlp rolex status games.
mod6: but, i typically don't hack straight on the built trb, ususally on a separate branch.
mod6: i just re-read what I typed there (sorry, just woke up, slept like the dead), and i don't mean to make it sound like a single line, even if sometimes it is! i just make the changes i need, the most minimal changes possible, then drop 'em in and see.
ben_vulpes: (reminds me a bit of the "check every return code" naggum line)
mod6: i do a lot of testing etc. often if I'm actually going to change a line of code, i'll press out a seperate branch call it 'foo', go in there copy a & b, then make changes in b. make a vpatch. drop it in my live bitcoin branch, rebuild with the rotor. bunch of stuff. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: eyy, mod6 so i just spun up v.pl on a new box and despite wget not being installed v.pl still claims successful sync
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the plan's very simple, go to large nat'l retailer, load half a dozen disks, when the cashier refuses to sell them sucker punch him, get the police report to say he wouldn't sell you the drives, pay the whatever it is to have punched a dude and settle for whatever coupla mil they're willing to pay to avoid discovery.
asciilifeform: proof that would get a law firm interested, is what i was thinking
asciilifeform: anyway, as with the almost 100 year philips light bulb cartel, nobody who gives a fuck has any proof, nobody with proof - gives a fuck, etc.
mircea_popescu: "your honor, i tried to buy a hdd and they refused to sell me. vendor told me they have an illegal arrangement to promote the business interests of Amazon cloud services. I want 100 dollars in liquidated damages and 10bn in punitive damages kthx."
asciilifeform: perhaps we can win five cents a head like the paypall class action just did
asciilifeform: we needed half a dozen 1tb ssd last year at $plant and had to buy from that many vendors.