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mircea_popescu: this, for the record my dear lord mats , is entirely a constructed, deliberate neurosis. there is nothing paralyzing about uncertainity in se. the paralizing bit, much like the horse's bit, or the nail in the grenade, is the expectation of maximal outcome, often doublespoken as "responsibility", and generally internalized as "self respect" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the 'if we close our eyes, mircea_popescu won't exist!' orchestra is a fountain of lulz <<< i'm totally making cocktails with water from there. makes the girls all giddy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm a promiscuous sort what can i tell you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a system catching up with it, too.
BingoBoingo: 12 years a lol
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-02-2016#1404665 << the 'if we close our eyes, mircea_popescu won't exist!' orchestra is a fountain of lulz ☝︎
BingoBoingo: but mircea_popescu's thinkpad is not a computer. It is a bedtime video player.
asciilifeform: phun phakt: hp200lx runs for ~month on a pair of 'aa'.
assbot: Running a laptop off AA batteries - Funnyhacks.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTbQXz )
BingoBoingo: If current draw is really that big of a concern
BingoBoingo: Side effect of this is if weight is actually a concern (it really shouldn't be) AAA cell battery prison could also be offered.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's been a lot of progress with fine meshes or w/e, but i'm pretty sure they still didn't manage to catch up to li ion
mircea_popescu: that's what makes these things iffy. gotta let the proponent state it whenever it's such a case.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ~1/2 the density << In practice I'm not so sure. 3 AA eneloops new offers a total 6.3 Ah. Present laptop's battery if new 5.2 Ah with much bigger cells
assbot: B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PTaETY )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116499 << in other news, a lower bound claim appears.
mircea_popescu: this is a good q.
BingoBoingo: Nothing new other than the introduction, which is gold: "Let’s say that you’re running a company and want to create some internal competition between teams to see which ones can perform better. You can do this with R&D, and sales, but I would humbly suggest that you don’t do it with receivables. Sending out duplicate invoices to customers is generally referred to as ‘criminal behavior’."
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2016 02:28:18; punkman: apparently a lot of implementations have "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range" errors
mircea_popescu: let's leave it at "property is a complicated thing" then.
mircea_popescu: under the sole payment of a falcon; which every year, on the Feast of All Saints, shall be presented by the person or persons duly authorised for that purpose, into the hands of the Viceroy or President, who may at that time be administering the government, in sign and recognition of feudal tenure; and having made that payment, they shall remain exempt and free from all other service claimable by law, and by custom per
blockchain_enthu: anyway, i think i'll have to read up a lot more before i contribute to the discussion here. Thanks all for sharing your thoughts.
mircea_popescu: not a matter of word picking, i'm just making the point that there's no benefit for the new lord importing the old gunk.
punkman: what's a better word?
punkman: if you have jurisdiction over an area of land, not a bad thing to do.
danielpbarron: that's more of a WoT thing than a block chain thing, and we're back to betters beating losers
blockchain_enthu: the only counter point I'd like to make here is this: even though real world items do not follow rules like bitcoins do, but there is a whole system (read legal system) which allows people to do transactions and move things around
danielpbarron: blockchain_enthu, I'd re-voice you but I can't think of anything else of interest to add here. If anyone else wants to take a turn...
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 21:10:11; mircea_popescu: these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute.
blockchain_enthu: like a said non-tech guy
danielpbarron: do you have a bitcoin node?
blockchain_enthu: and trying to get a sense of how far along have people thought over this
blockchain_enthu: LOL! Well a lot of ideas seem ridiculous before somebody manages to pull it off
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:20:52; mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to invent a blockchain way to make losers not be beaten up by their betters ? because why.
blockchain_enthu: is there a way for me to read that part ?
danielpbarron: but the implication is that there could exist a block chain without the money part
blockchain_enthu: I am a non-tech kind guy trying to understand block chain and bit coins. I find block chain to be more interesting than bit coin
asciilifeform: why would lightning zap a standalone box sans mains wiring ?
kakobrekla: you have a dc to ac inverter?
asciilifeform: the ~sane~ behaviour for a make is to kill only that which it itself birthed.
asciilifeform: even if a bit of a backbreaker.
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform wonders if the buildscript could become a makefile one day << afaik this was broadly tyhe plan, at least at first
asciilifeform: imho global 'zooko' names are a broken concept.
mod6: where do you get A records if all of the root/gtld servers vanish?
asciilifeform: and where, exactly, is one to get a new host file, if all of the mirrors vanish overnight ?
trinque: we've been overlooking a great many failed targets since day one
trinque: yep, albeit "boost is done" is currently "there is a folder here which it shat"
asciilifeform: so it needs a fallback where the deps are not curled if already found
asciilifeform: and if a script insists on curling, i won't use it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu likes, iirc, building on same box as his thing ~runs~ on, that is, a net-connected one
trinque: we are both aware of what a trivial change that is.
asciilifeform: trinque: originally i wanted recursive so i could dive into, e.g., boost, openssl, and have a single makefile for the whole orchestra
mod6: instead we just have a "release" version of the build script like everyone has been using and then push the "better build aparatus" into the post release development push.
mod6: it basically breaks up my build script into makefiles. its worth your time to take a look i think.
asciilifeform wonders if the buildscript could become a makefile one day
mod6: then move on and there will just be a new version soon.
mod6: well, we need to make a 1 line change to the 99996 build script, and then update the wiki. BUT on the other hand we're gonna need 99995 soon anyway, as soon as some people beat up on my latest patch for V.
danielpbarron: mod6> danielpbarron, got plans this weekend? << Eulora auction yo! Other than that, I don't really have "weekends" as I don't have a 9 to 5 kinda schedule
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, THAT machine igot a sighup 10 minutes ago, and bitcoind is still running on it. so... wtf.)
mircea_popescu: and to round up : the other one, testing a (slightly older) 99996 keeps dying like a little bitch, so it's behind
punkman: apparently a lot of implementations have "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range" errors ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu can go on about how disgusting a cow is, but at the end of the day his icecream still comes out of one...
mircea_popescu: rebase until your finger bleed. i don't give a shit how hard it is, or how you think there's more productive uses of your time.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with using a release.
mod6: ah, ok.. but don't run the 99996 yet -- the script needs a 1 line update iirc.
mod6: its a choose your own adventure really.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> my mind recoils at the notion of running a reference implementation compiled without knowing the patchlist going into it << im not sure how to reconsile this. either you don't know what you're doing and you use a fully automated build script, or you do, and you build by hand. ☟︎
asciilifeform: a few hectares of this, and you have (slow...) fpga...
ben_vulpes: but the road to automated reactor controls is paved with perl scripts, if you'll forgive a language jab mod6
asciilifeform: elsevier has been musting die for a very long time.
punkman: "when you search for a paper, Sci-Hub tries to immediately download it from fellow pirate database LibGen. If that doesn't work, Sci-Hub is able to bypass journal paywalls thanks to a range of access keys that have been donated by anonymous academics"
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mod6: --- a/bitcoin/src/main.cpp 92038390413f77b55e19439738e87c21bd5b2313dc6edad78bcc8bf722dde82623a31a56a87b0182e75e6824fc709dc216fb9cb159b49a16e212e3a5ded93f58
mod6: diff -uNr a/bitcoin/src/main.cpp b/bitcoin/src/main.cpp
mircea_popescu: punkman and they won't make it in a foundation release.
mircea_popescu: a happy man is one who never went into the sausage factory.
ben_vulpes: my mind recoils at the notion of running a reference implementation compiled without knowing the patchlist going into it
ben_vulpes: such a very stateful ritual, this
mircea_popescu: spew out a file hash i'll give you mine.
asciilifeform: and here i find that i don't even have a copy of this.
asciilifeform: and i wanted to make another, re: how driving solely with wot at present time is rather like steering a bus using solely the brake pedal.
mircea_popescu: jus' making a point.
mircea_popescu: if you wish i can provide a file hash
ben_vulpes: aha whatever fires v must present a head to press
asciilifeform: that's a v ver
gribble: Error: "height" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: anyone ever saw a process get ended after you disconnect a nohup session ?! ☟︎
mod6: did mod6 lose a whole year
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mircea_popescu: i do a lot of that. set it to do say 30 suspect ointments, it's good for 20 hours
mircea_popescu: because of the fucking impedance in thin fillaments and other considerations, your shit will never work as a straight conductor. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i would expect, on the basis of sheer guesswork, that if you want to make fine mesh shields as opposed to a traditional, 2mm thick cage, that you would want various quantum and other side effects ratgher than straight conductivity.
asciilifeform: conductivity is normally what you want in a shield
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's a pretty good trick! give him spaghetti too
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1404011 << i thought your kid was a yearling ?! he speaks ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 22:15:37; asciilifeform: '1). Make a decision to let go of the past technical issues. We don’t care whose fault it was, who broke protocol, who harmed who’s feelings or egos, who lied or who was technically or morally wrong. The time has come to move on. We can start fresh and work together to prevent or react to any new human issues.' << ahahahah pure gold
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403870 << hm why does she sound like you touched a nerve ?! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/3Gg3Y2q.jpg <<< i wish to donate a hundred lashes, where can i ?