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Anduck: the unit does, they didn'
t advertise that h-card must perform 25gh
fractal: And since the hardware didn'
t perform as advertised -- the bet is a no.
Anduck: the bet doesn'
t talk about h-cards performances, it talks about the whole unit performances
Anduck: it's a fact that 1 m-board can hold up to 16 h-boards, but that doesn'
t make it a 400gh unit
fractal: Well, tahts too bad isn'
t it? because it SAYS UNIT!!!!!!!!!!!
tyrion70: The bet doesn'
t mention anything on number of boards fractal..
Anduck: it doesn'
t talk about units there
tyrion70: weird search didn'
t have anything on bitfury..
fractal: Yea, but you didn'
t explicitly state that -- and people reading the bet went on the bitfurystrikesback website, and saw that a UNIT was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- what do you say to those people???
fractal: But, according to the language, the bet is a NO. That doesn'
t change the fact that I think Bitfury is awesome and did a great job.
pankkake: anyway, it likely won'
t change the mind of whoever decides the outcome of the bet
fractal: No, thats not what the bet says.... Maybe you can strech the argument for the 25Gh card by saying its modular (even though i disagree because AS ADVERTISED it was 1 card), but you certianly can'
t for the 400Gh unit
fractal: A 25 gh unit was advertised as a single H-card. -- I'm pasting it all the time because you don'
t seem to realize that the bet says hardware device/uni AS ADVERTISED' -- i'm only going by the bet language
fractal: Again, I'm only going by what the bet actually says -- Thats why I bet NO. because I didn'
t think their 400Gh unit as advertised would meet targets -- and they'd have to refund (or ship more hardware) to make up for their mistakes and underperformance.
Anduck: i don'
t understand why you all the time come up with that they had to add more h-cards for the unit.. :/ they failed that but it's got nothing to do with the performance of the unit!
fractal: Anduck: no, the bet doesn'
t say that.
Anduck: but if BFL says they deliver 5gh hashing unit that eats X amount of watts and delivers same sized unit that eats X+10 watts, they haven'
t met the advertised performance
fractal: they didn'
t meet hardware specs because the hardware underperformed -- and that is what the bet is about.
Anduck: yeah they didn'
t meet hardware specs, true
dexX7: didn'
t know they provide one
fractal: ok... so if people post to the forums who receive orders tomorrow, those wouldn'
t be included in the bet timeframe, right?
mircea_popescu: who KNOW they dion'
t belong there, and KNOW that actual competent women a) would make them look bad and b) aren'
t likely to bother arguing politics with them
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> so consequently it can'
t count in our discussion. <<<< possibly, but it's a wtf worth exploring
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves anyway, wasn'
t btcgarden fully refunded ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, i have raw vids of about a dozen girls im probably going to straight delete as i can'
t be bothered to have edited
mircea_popescu: the muppets don'
t have that much. my guess is 500 to 2k on the brightest side.
Neil: Apparently the new dust output rules aren'
t being respected by all miners, at least if you're willing to pay 0.0005 BTC for it.
mircea_popescu: if people were more obedient and less inclined to self-manage the us wouldn'
t be collapsing in the first place.
Neil: Yeah not obvious; and I don'
t want to be a source of gracious donations to shareholders :)
mircea_popescu: they "have" a cave ? how ? isn'
t it protected by some authority ? did they buy or lease ?
mircea_popescu: been at it for ten years, they don'
t have toilet paper.
mircea_popescu: so if $100 right now for a ring i don'
t have to deliver for 16 months is worth 9900 for me, i'll offer that deal.
mircea_popescu: kingofsports if the price in the future is below the spot and you don'
t need the item until the future then of course you buy the future
gecko_x2: i don'
t care if it's a 10 bagger
mircea_popescu: once a bet closes of due time it doesn'
t resolve until the resolution date.
Anduck: but ain'
t the 5 deliveries already confirmed
Anduck: isn'
t that bitfury bet ready for resolution?
gecko_x2: don'
t want to be responsible for a global thermonuclear war and destroying mankind..
mircea_popescu: gecko_x2 why can'
t someone just look at their datafield on the network ?
deadweasel: CTRL+SHIFT+
T will undo closed tabs ThickAsThieves
mod6: well, yeah software raid isn'
t very awesome
mircea_popescu: which isn'
t so bad, people do ask who;'s a good lawyer etc.
TomServo: Fair enough - I didn'
t mean a literal clown.
fractal: 2 shutdowns in 2 years isn'
t good for your brand.
jorash: You don'
t even know the theory I espouse, yet you call it nonsesne... hmmm
mircea_popescu: "you can'
t short my putative theoretical nonsense which i might deliver just you wait"
mircea_popescu: jorash i;ll bet you that you don'
t crack sha. how about that ?
fractal: jorash: actaully sorry, you coudln'
t spend anyones coins because you'd need to crack ellipitcal curve for that..... but the network would be DDoS'd, somoene could find an empty block every second and broadcast it --
mircea_popescu: fractal it would doom the coin because the question "how did the seller get the coins" couldn'
t find a satisfactory answer soon enough
fractal: jorash: It wouldn'
t 'doom' the coin, but since there would be no more block rewards, who would mine blocks for 0.1 BTC fees?
mircea_popescu: jorash we don'
t want new people at all, let alone many
Rulother: fractal, I've made up my mind, but I don'
t take part in bitbet. Or betting in general.
gecko_x2: ur arguing about shit that doesn'
t matter in a CoW world
San1ty_: well I wasn'
t disagreeing with you point
San1ty_: ThickAsThieves: Correct, I'm trying to have an open discussion here (hope I haven'
t offended anyone? :S). But the premise of shares and bonds are different.
mircea_popescu: pankkake as they can'
t go up enough to make ten dollar tom "oprah rich", they're not "Worth it".
mircea_popescu: bonds introduce the risk that they can'
t conceivably go up 548906809560954860958x
mircea_popescu: pankkake you don'
t understand investor mentality you heretic you.
pankkake: but if the company defaults, wouldn'
t shares go to zero in the same situation anyway?
San1ty_: ThickAsThieves: It's pretty simple actually, bonds introduce some risk that shares don'
t have.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well mayben they know something you don'
t.
pankkake: also, why doesn'
t Deprived come here? :)
ThickAsThieves: profits they'd make a lot more doing it that way. There's a reason people who can actually make a decent profit offer bonds/loans rather than equity. And there's a reason those who can'
t make a decent profit always sell shares. At present there's not enough of the former and too many of the latter."
ThickAsThieves: "It's unfortunate that there are few bonds around (the ones out there are all sold out). It pretty much shows how full of shit all these new mining/ASIC companies are - although they'll happily predict huge profits for investors they won'
t put their money where their mouth is and raise their capital via loan/bond paying a fixed-rate. Despite the fact that if they're right about the
San1ty_: hope you don'
t mean private and sound like BFL ;).
San1ty_: bleh, bot doesn'
t like me?
San1ty_: If they start hashing I wouldn'
t be surprised if Labcoin would be up to .01
San1ty_: If they aren'
t on time with the start of mining expect the selloff of a lifetime
pankkake: I don'
t mean ordered chips, I mean chips in hand
gecko_x2: and we don'
t know how many they will sell
San1ty_: don'
t feel like browing through all those posts
Rulother: shush your mouth, this isn'
t the forums
San1ty_: I don'
t see for it all to unwind. I imagine confidence has been shaken a bit with the low divs, but if AM can keep up and pay out nice div's. there shouldn'
t be a reason for a massive selloff.
San1ty_: gecko_x2: but at those prices, who wouldn'
t buy?
Duffer1: good question sanlty_ I haven'
t been keeping up with AM plans so i duuno
San1ty_: Duffer1, gecko_x2: yeah competition is strong, but what reason is there to believe AM can'
t cope?
Duffer1: is there a stock chart site that isn'
t coinflow?
San1ty_: Nah it's not going into labcoin I think, Labcoin isn'
t going to move much this weekend.