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kleeck: I don'
t sell a product, I teach you how to do it, young padawan.
jurov: but that 0.022 a dude offered... couldn'
t resist
mircea_popescu: just like you don'
t want to live in a place where you have to eat shit.
mircea_popescu: because you don'
t want to live in a place you can'
t make a bitcoin gambling site anyway
mircea_popescu: benkay just find a place that's reasonable to live in, has hot chicks and isn'
t an ally of the nazis.
mircea_popescu: you can'
t include two payments to the same address in the same block.
mircea_popescu: 's why you can'
t be double jeopardied , even if it's fucking clear as day that you dun it.
fractal: I'm glad you could at least see both ends yourself --- but why can'
t they be annulled due to poor language? what if the admin accidently allows a bad bet, and only realizes its a bad bet afterwards?
mircea_popescu: bets aren'
t annulled due to poor language. that's part of the sandbox. they're resolved as best can be.
fractal: Diablo-D3: I don'
t disagree.
fractal: Diablo-D3: you can'
t though -- all conditions of the bet have to be met -- they weren'
t. regardless of refund.
thestrin1puller: I imagine now this is how a parent feels when their child won'
t stop sticking forks in the electrical outlets.
fractal: fun? whats fun about passing a bet that didn'
t meet all conditions?
fractal: so, as shipped, it didn'
t meet performance targets
fractal: yes. Its clear that ALL conditions of a bet must be met -- they weren'
t....
fractal: I can'
t allow other people to be defrauded.
mircea_popescu: but if they're old hags asking you to gfive up your seat you wouldn'
t ?
jurov: don'
t not you say!
jurov: but i don'
t know the fee
random_cat: thx. i don'
t know how others think of it, but i usually think of interest as paid after
jurov: random_cat: if you don'
t want to wait, btc-e redeemable code is possible
jurov: can'
t log in or withraw? just be patient, all will be well.
Duffer1: I don'
t see how he's having so many problems with this stuff when CampBX is chugging right along
Duffer1: It seems like it hasn'
t even been a week since they announced they'd be using iafcu
qqq111: I'm surprised there isn'
t a 'US will strike syria by X date' bet
pankkake: it doesn'
t have a web socket, at least not a public one. even the "realtime" thing is just a page refreshed every other second
tyrion70: isn'
t that kind of weird anduck?
fractal: Anduck: the 400Gh unit doesn'
t produce 400Gh... it produces 365Gh..... the extra hardware is shipped to make up for performance misses..... its VERY GOOD PR and means bitfury is a great company, but it also means not all condiitons of the bet were met.
Anduck: tyrion70: it wouldn'
t produce 400gh so no
Anduck: you can'
t talk about 1 unit to be that since there was a different unit/kit available too
Anduck: because the bet doesn'
t address the unit hardware, only the unit performance!!!
tyrion70: ok why can'
t he disagree on 30 more chips.. and you can disagree on 30 more $??
fractal: Anduck: But they didn'
t get a 400Gh unit. they got a 365Gh unit.
tyrion70: its relevant because you don'
t recognize it as being a variable..
fractal: Anduck: don'
t you think if NO bettors bet based on one definition of UNIT, and then the definition of a UNIT changed, then it's disingenuous to people who bet no?
Anduck: people didn'
t need to pay for the hardware change of the unit
Anduck: tyrion70: when the bet talks about unit (25gh and 400gh) it means the kits you can buy from shop (25gh and 400gh), isn'
t that very clear?
Anduck: but the bet doesn'
t talk about chip count
tyrion70: it doesn'
t specify what a unit is.. so it might..
Anduck: but the bet doesn'
t address the unit chip count right?
pankkake: aren'
t you tired of copy/pasting?
fractal: pankkake: well, if you side with bait and switch fraudsters who can change the definition of a UNIT after the fact, then I guess i shouldn'
t worry about you calling me a jerk
fractal: You can'
t change after the fact what UNIT was supposed to mean. Also. Nobody who ordered a 400Gh unit actually got 2-mboards so far.
Anduck: but the bet wasn'
t about that to be as promised
Anduck: doesn'
t matter does the miner color or size or chip amount change. it performs as promised. the kit said 400gh at <400W and thats what they delivered.
fractal: Anduck: No, it doesn'
t. it is only 365Gh.
Anduck: the bet wasn'
t about kit chip amount
Anduck: performance of the kit didn'
t change
Anduck: fractal: yeah that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards wasn'
t enough for a kit, they had to add more hw
Anduck: indeed but fractal can'
t understand it :(
Anduck: the kit hardware got changed, performance didn'
t fractal: No, it doesn'
t perform as promised
Anduck: no it doesn'
t say "performance of the unit as advertised". it says "must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) "
Anduck: the bet doesn'
t require the unit/kit to be 1 m-board with 16 h-boards
fractal: That's a picture of the kit/unit. it doeesn'
t do 400Gh....
pankkake: don'
t care about the nubem of chips
Anduck: tyrion70: the bet doesn'
t require the unit to include 256 chips
fractal: Anduck: The HW promise IS the performance promise! Imagine if you are running a server farm, and Intel says --- "oh, sorry, our chips aren'
t fast enough --, but heres 1000 extra servers. Oh, you can'
t fit them in your datacenter because you ran out of space? too bad!!"
pankkake: regardless of number of chips, which aren'
t in the bet
Anduck: so they only broke the promise of hardware amount, they couldn'
t make the 400gh unit out of 1 m-board only
Anduck: one looks that yeah they can'
t make 256 produce 400gh at <400W. but if 256 chips don'
t make 400gh, it isn'
t a 400gh unit, right?
Anduck: i don'
t agree with that technical perspective
Anduck: but it didn'
t alter the advertised performance (400gh at <400w)
tyrion70: can'
t be both at the same time..
Anduck: it made it with a different hardware amount than promised. but that wasn'
t partt of the bet
tyrion70: anduck, it was at the site wasn'
t it?
Anduck: but my definition was actually defined ,the other one wasn'
t Anduck: isn'
t the assumption of 1 unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-board wrong too? it's never declared anywhere
fractal: thats exactly how I interpreted it -- based on the bet language -- thats all I have to go by... The site doesn'
t say "message Anduck" if you have any questions.
Anduck: but the performance isn'
t same as hashrate
tyrion70: now they don'
t and instead of sending me one jupiter they send two...
Anduck: it wasn'
t about how much boards the unit must have or is the hardware amount as advertised
Anduck: the unit has changed, but the performance hasn'
t Anduck: it doesn'
t matter that does the miner change color or what sized it is... the thing is that they had to deliver the advertised performance. performance means X amount of GHash at Y W/GH.
fractal: The UNIT, as advertised, didn'
t perform as promised .
fractal: So, how do you expect people to read the bet, -- AS adveritsed -- ?? and then tell them later 'Sorry, it doesn'
t matter if that was as advertised'
Anduck: doesn'
t matter does the COLOR of the miner change
fractal: You can'
t write a bet and they say "oh, I actually meant this" later
fractal: Anduck: IT doesn'
t matter what you say now.... THE BET LANGUAGE IS ALL THAT MATTERS
tyrion70: not the site.. the site can be changed.. the bet can'
t Anduck: the bet wasn'
t about what the full kit is, it was about that the full kit will deliver the performance
Anduck: it doesn'
t need 2 psu-s...
fractal: No it doesn'
t. Performance means Hashrate and Wattage seperatly... No Proportion was mentioned in the bet language.
fractal: The bet says the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" must be 400Gh. IT ISN'
T fractal: You won'
t see anyone with 400Gh only getting delivered -- because BSB would have to ship them 2 M-boards, 2 R-pi's, etc.
fractal: tyrion70: Nobody who ordered a 400Gh unit has posted recieving more then 400Gh.... so I can'
t answer that question.
fractal: Then 'as advertised' would make it a bad bet... and it wouldn'
t have been accepted.
tyrion70: fractal: the bet doesn'
t say "as advertised on the website www.blabla" .. the bet specifies the exact conditions itself.. without a need to read some website..